Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
There is "something". All discoveries keep pointing to "something". Why can't Christian just dump the part about "having to save us".
I think Jesus meant we have to keep teaching each other. Yeah I need help, I don't need "saving" as from "hell". I do need saving from myself. But we can do that without ever bringing up "you have to believe what I believe." to help me from being selfish.
I do know that if some people on both sides weren't so eager to push their beliefs onto people we wouldn't playing silly word games. When you lay out what we have, Omni dude just is not reasonable. That's it, the whole sha-bang. Tha does not mean there is "nothing".
But we all know facts don't matter to the fundy/milli. Both have agendas. All we can do it treat each person the best we can and have a well oiled police force to stop people that disagree to the point of hurting others.
There is "something". All discoveries keep pointing to "something". Why can't Christian just dump the part about "having to save us".
I think Jesus meant we have to keep teaching each other. Yeah I need help, I don't need "saving" as from "hell". I do need saving from myself. But we can do that without ever bringing up "you have to believe what I believe." to help me from being selfish.
I do know that if some people on both sides weren't so eager to push their beliefs onto people we wouldn't playing silly word games. When you lay out what we have, Omni dude just is not reasonable. That's it, the whole sha-bang. Tha does not mean there is "nothing".
But we all know facts don't matter to the fundy/milli. Both have agendas. All we can do it treat each person the best we can and have a well oiled police force to stop people that disagree to the point of hurting others.
and that is a belief
not just the lack of a belief
I do not believe the odds are very high.
Do you think the odds that the tooth fairy is real is very low? Is that faith or belief? Or is it unbelief?
Obviously it is unbelief in tooth fairies. Obviously it is not a knowledge claim that tooth fairies can be conclusively demonstrated not to exist -- although, for practical purposes, you probably act and talk as if you had such conclusive proof.
If it has to do with virtually ANYTHING other than god, you don't see skepticism as unjustified unless you can claim omniscience. Nor do you claim that skepticism is faith. You just go with the preponderance (or lack) of evidence and either afford or withhold belief.
So, I wanted to create a thread in order to dispel a couple myths about atheism.
1. Atheism is not a belief or lifestyle and can not be treated like a belief or lifestyle.
2. It follows that belief-based and lifestyle-based decisions made by an atheist are not pursuant to atheism.
I am making this thread because I've seen a ridiculously high number of theists saying things like "Atheism is a faith in no God" and making claims against atheism as though it were a violent, hypocritical belief set.
An atheist could be a violent, genocide supporting warlord or an atheist could be a pacifist who likes gardening and donating to poor children. Neither lifestyle is because the person is an atheist.
If you're an atheist, I'd be obliged to hear your thoughts on this.
If you're a theist and disagree, please provide a detailed explanation.
You might wanna send an email to the editors of Merriam Webster dictionary.
They seemed to be misinformed in defining the meaning of Atheism.
a: a disbelief in the existence of deity
b: the doctrine that there is no deity
Do you think the odds that the tooth fairy is real is very low? Is that faith or belief? Or is it unbelief?
Obviously it is unbelief in tooth fairies. Obviously it is not a knowledge claim that tooth fairies can be conclusively demonstrated not to exist -- although, for practical purposes, you probably act and talk as if you had such conclusive proof.
If it has to do with virtually ANYTHING other than god, you don't see skepticism as unjustified unless you can claim omniscience. Nor do you claim that skepticism is faith. You just go with the preponderance (or lack) of evidence and either afford or withhold belief.
That is all that I do with respect to god.
who are you arguing with?
It doesnt seem to be me
Someone in your head perhaps?
You might wanna send an email to the editors of Merriam Webster dictionary.
They seemed to be misinformed in defining the meaning of Atheism.
a: a disbelief in the existence of deity
b: the doctrine that there is no deity
They never have any decent rebuttal for that GC.
I have put that forth for years now...dozens of times. They usually accuse me of "trolling"...or levy some other insult.
Do you think the odds that the tooth fairy is real is very low? Is that faith or belief? Or is it unbelief?
Obviously it is unbelief in tooth fairies. Obviously it is not a knowledge claim that tooth fairies can be conclusively demonstrated not to exist -- although, for practical purposes, you probably act and talk as if you had such conclusive proof.
If it has to do with virtually ANYTHING other than god, you don't see skepticism as unjustified unless you can claim omniscience. Nor do you claim that skepticism is faith. You just go with the preponderance (or lack) of evidence and either afford or withhold belief.
That is all that I do with respect to god.
We actually have certain evidence that the myriad childish examples that are always trotted out (Tooth Fairy, Santa, Easter Bunny, etc.) are contrived, and that it is parents and/or guardians that covertly act as those characters, for the pleasure of the children.
The Religious Gods are not presented that way at all...and purported by even educated adults as actually existing.
Why people present the kiddie stuff, and our lack of belief that they actually exist, as viable comparisons to God Belief...I have no idea.
You are an obvious sharp and intelligent guy...I'm surprised to see you grasp at that dumbstuff.
Whose post did I quote in my response? Or has granpa forgotten what he said?
you dont have a clue do you?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
