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the whole "toast devil" thing and anything else, might have been propaganda and lies from those who supported the emperor and were against the Bishop of Rome. Or perhaps those Popes were descendant of those who followed Bacchus, so they couldn't help themselves with the sins of their fathers. Or perhaps, as Martin Luther said, they chose to sin heavily since Jesus died for them... what more sacrifice does Jesus want from us? Who wants to store up riches in heaven when heaven is perfect all by itself?
God wouldn't let a Pope lie about "ex blah blah" God is too involved with Earth for that. Why then does God let the children starve to death? Well, because they aren't "birds of the sky" of course, and because this deluded Deva that the ancient Jews supposedly sold their race to cares more about "ex yada yada" than about starving children.
Any other ideas?
A more modern reference might be "do as Jefferson said, not as he did". After all, Jefferson was a slave owner, and therefor the principals of the Declaration of Independence are invalid.
A more modern reference might be "do as Jefferson said, not as he did". After all, Jefferson was a slave owner, and therefor the principals of the Declaration of Independence are invalid.
If Jefferson had said he represented or was close to God.
I was quite sure Jefferson bought his slaves and freed them. Guess you have more information than I? Was he supposed to "steal" slaves? On top of a "moral" slave-owner, as he believed himself, he would have been a thief. I think he was simply plagued with biased stupidity.
... looked it up: he was a very confused man indeed when it came to slavery... didn't like supporting slave uprisings, didn't like owners freeing slaves, didn't support the slave trade, and thought slavery itself was bad for all participants, including slave owners.
Who known what Jefferson thought a man was, for sure he didn't think boys were men. It's a good thing what he "said" falls on ITS OWN MERITS and not on his FALSE AUTHORITY.
Don't do as the priests say, do what is right instead. If you are so sloth, than the virtuous (who are not hypocrites) are better at saying the correct things.
Now, I do realize these were from bygone eras, but I was always taught that the Pope was "infallible" from St Peter on to the present.
The popes you mentioned were good popes.....in comparison to other popes.
One pope used to walk around with his entourage raping women...in broad daylight.
There were homosexual popes, bisexual popes, popes who were married and had male mistresses or female mistresses, or both, who sodomized young boys, young girls, popes who robbed and murdered pilgrims on their way to visit shrines in Rome, even popes murdered by their wives caught in the act with another woman.
Popes that would order the murder or assassination of people for claiming the Earth was a spheroid, or claiming that the Earth orbits the Sun (instead of the Sun orbiting the Earth) should be among the first clues that popes are not infallible.
Under catholicism, the only way into heaven is through the pope, so those who reject the primacy of the pope are automatically condemned to hell.
You should read Humanus Genus, where Pope Leo condemns Americans to eternal hell for electing their presidents instead of consulting with the popes on who should rule America.
I guess that's a plus....if there is an heaven, there won't be too many Americans there.
Infallibly...
You should read Humanus Genus, where Pope Leo condemns Americans to eternal hell for electing their presidents instead of consulting with the popes on who should rule America.
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Maybe you should try to read Humanum Genus first... It doesn't even mention the United States or any of your presidents once. But you are right. There is a lot of other nonsense in there. It's a text against Freemasonry, Communism, Naturalism, Secularism, Egalitarianism, ... Given the historical context, I guess a lot of European monarchs (and a couple of your protestant fundies back home) would have agreed at that time.
I'm not even commenting on the other stuff you are writing. You just prove the fact that you don't know the difference between infallibility and impeccability.
No the pope is not infallible, very few Catholics accept infallibility, most have moved out of the middle age way of thinking.
At Vatican I PiusIX who was not wrapped to tight had himself declared infallible because he was losing his power and control of the papal states.
The quote "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" made by Lord Action was reference to Pius declaring himself infallible.
Most popes afterward jumped on the bandwagon and more and more of what they said was declared infallible, John Paul II thought every word he uttered was infallible.
Infallibility now stretches down to all the bishops in one way or another.
They say that he is infallible when teaching "ex cathedra". There have only been a handful of such statements made throughout the years...good luck in getting a list of them. No catholic apologist can agree on a list of such statements.
They also claim he's infallible when teaching on faith and morals. As a result, the Catholic church will never compromise on things like abortion or homosexuality because it would mean they were wrong on it. They are backed into a corner on it and it would mean that they aren't really God's church if they admit they were wrong.
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Papal ex cathedra infallibility was declared by Vatican 1 controlled by Pope Pius IX.
But before that, this was the official Catholic teaching.
Q. Must not Catholics believe the Pope in himself to be infallible?
A. "This is a Protestant invention; it is no article of the Catholic faith; no decision of his can oblige, under pain of heresy, unless it be received and enforced by the teaching body, that is, by the Bishops of the Church."
[LEFT]Sources: </A href="keenan-1848-pgs-305-306.gif">A Doctrinal Catechism, by the Rev. Stephen Keenan, approved by the Most Rev. John Hughes, D.D., Archbishop of New York, Second American Edition, published in New York by E. Dunigan & Brother, (James B. Kirker), No. 371 Broadway, Copyright 1848, pages 305-306.
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Absolutely NOTHING emanating from human beings is infallible, period! The idea is completely preposterous!!
The idea is that God wouldn't allow Moses, Mathew, Peter, Paul, the Nicinian Council, the Biblical Cannon Council, or the Bishop of Rome etc to mess up when doing big things in his name. Those men seemed to have believed in divine intervention and that God cared, apparently.
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The Pope is... Infallible?????
