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Either that or, like the 'Hitch - hiker's guide to the Galaxy', it was sent back through a time - warp to before the original idea for it was actually thought up.
Now I understand god only exists in the past and future , never now.
In a discussion on gay marriage here on C-D, the following comment was made by a member (I'm just copying/pasting, exactly as written):
Despite the multitude of conversations I've had wherein the bible was mentioned, I admit this is the first time I've ever heard the argument made that the bible existed prior to Adam & Eve. When I asked the poster to please elaborate, as I did not understand the logistics of this, the poster responded:
I tried to get further information from the poster, but they have thus far declined to respond.
So I'm asking here, where I understand there are many people familiar with the bible and who likely have more knowledge of it than I do... is this a commonly held belief? That God basically had the bible written mentally before Adam & Eve and later passed it on to men (divine inspiration) to be written down on paper?
Is there anyone who believes this who is in a position to discuss with me the logistics of this? Including the implications of this as it relates to the concept of free will?
I'd be glad to have the discussion privately if this topic is too inflammatory for the forum... I honestly don't mean it to be... I really had never heard this argument before and I find myself very confused by the idea.
Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this subject.
Who said this?Or if you don't want to name names.what thread and post # was this.I can think of a couple of posters in this forum who would make such as claim,but I am interested if there is another of this breed out there.
In a discussion on gay marriage here on C-D, the following comment was made by a member (I'm just copying/pasting, exactly as written):
Despite the multitude of conversations I've had wherein the bible was mentioned, I admit this is the first time I've ever heard the argument made that the bible existed prior to Adam & Eve. When I asked the poster to please elaborate, as I did not understand the logistics of this, the poster responded:
I tried to get further information from the poster, but they have thus far declined to respond.
So I'm asking here, where I understand there are many people familiar with the bible and who likely have more knowledge of it than I do... is this a commonly held belief? That God basically had the bible written mentally before Adam & Eve and later passed it on to men (divine inspiration) to be written down on paper?
Is there anyone who believes this who is in a position to discuss with me the logistics of this? Including the implications of this as it relates to the concept of free will?
I'd be glad to have the discussion privately if this topic is too inflammatory for the forum... I honestly don't mean it to be... I really had never heard this argument before and I find myself very confused by the idea.
Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this subject.
The truth existed before Adam and Eve. I think that God taught Adam to write by writting down Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 Adam wrote down his experience from creation. And then each succesive patriarch wrote their account down from then on through the generations.
But for God to have the bible word for word is not realistic. But the bible is called the "Word of God". Because it is inspired by God. And Jesus Christ is called the "word of God" because he proceeded from the Father. So, since Jesus who is God, is the word of God and existed prior to creation (Jesus being the means by which God created the earth and the Universe). Then in a certain way "the word of God" existed before Adam and Eve! But not necessarily the word for word of the bible itself.
In a discussion on gay marriage here on C-D, the following comment was made by a member (I'm just copying/pasting, exactly as written):
Despite the multitude of conversations I've had wherein the bible was mentioned, I admit this is the first time I've ever heard the argument made that the bible existed prior to Adam & Eve. When I asked the poster to please elaborate, as I did not understand the logistics of this, the poster responded:
I tried to get further information from the poster, but they have thus far declined to respond.
So I'm asking here, where I understand there are many people familiar with the bible and who likely have more knowledge of it than I do... is this a commonly held belief? That God basically had the bible written mentally before Adam & Eve and later passed it on to men (divine inspiration) to be written down on paper?
Is there anyone who believes this who is in a position to discuss with me the logistics of this? Including the implications of this as it relates to the concept of free will?
I'd be glad to have the discussion privately if this topic is too inflammatory for the forum... I honestly don't mean it to be... I really had never heard this argument before and I find myself very confused by the idea.
Thanks to anyone who can shed light on this subject.
Before ADAM and EVE, there was GOD and the word (Jesus) =Truth and the word was with GOD...and Jesus spoke it into existance!
So before ADAM and EVE (split from ADAM)...there was ADAM (hermaphrodite Male and Female) to get seperate Female and male...God undoes the zip file...and all hell broke loose there after!
So God drove them out of EDEN where all the GOOD living things that complied to God were....and God put them on a world where all the disobediant things went...DEATH.
God proclaimed it first with the first ADAM...Do not touch this....do not eat this...do not do this...do not say this...do not think this....
But they did do all the opposited in the alternate or parallel that is not EDEN...But could become like EDEN and even EDENS if They only listend to God's instructions after being moved out....to undo what was done....till the soils, tend to the living...share, and be one with God....Multiply the givens...spread the Good, and clean...and keep it so...so it continues!
Honour God...Love God...care for God...be mindful of God...and do not put God to the test....do not anger God by doing the opposite of his commands...Commandments....and follow the simple instructions...
Now that is how to get out of Death...and be reborn through Jesus into the new world order.
And money is not a partner of it.
So...here we are doing or breaking a commandment...Jesus came to stop...but they killed him, and anyone else insergent to ROME or the IDOL they used....and it is still being used today with a different name on it.
Same thing...same concept, same Ideal....same broken commandment!
And look they ask us to sacrifice our children into their bent wars continually....killing and slaughtering people for living their way....while the abomonable dance in glee down the streets.
Funny lines of paradoxes...
So was the word of God the truth?
Is there another place called EDEN...and that this world is for dead people?...sinners...evildoers?...and the like?....seems so!
Especially if they imprison Plant growers, and tell everyone they have to pay to live...when God said he gives freely everything!
Now some do not believe, cause they got us all paying for it...or else,... we are outcast, and or called poachers ..insergencies....terrorists...criminals..or other painted lable to bring the mindset to hate...so they can kill more.....and are hunted down and removed and or bound down to prison or worse.
Is this what God wanted?....No!
So why are they doing it?
$atan rules them!
And all live and all die under $atans rule!
Oh so true!
and they continue to kill people for growing plants...when the eco systems are crying out for aid?...and global warming is on the back burners of every nations hot plate.
Before ADAM and EVE, there was GOD and the word (Jesus) =Truth and the word was with GOD...and Jesus spoke it into existance!
So before ADAM and EVE (split from ADAM)...there was ADAM (hermaphrodite Male and Female) to get seperate Female and male...God undoes the zip file...and all hell broke loose there after!
So God drove them out of EDEN where all the GOOD living things that complied to God were....and God put them on a world where all the disobediant things went...DEATH.
God proclaimed it first with the first ADAM...Do not touch this....do not eat this...do not do this...do not say this...do not think this....
But they did do all the opposited in the alternate or parallel that is not EDEN...But could become like EDEN and even EDENS if They only listend to God's instructions after being moved out....to undo what was done....till the soils, tend to the living...share, and be one with God....Multiply the givens...spread the Good, and clean...and keep it so...so it continues!
Honour God...Love God...care for God...be mindful of God...and do not put God to the test....do not anger God by doing the opposite of his commands...Commandments....and follow the simple instructions...
Now that is how to get out of Death...and be reborn through Jesus into the new world order.
And money is not a partner of it.
So...here we are doing or breaking a commandment...Jesus came to stop...but they killed him, and anyone else insergent to ROME or the IDOL they used....and it is still being used today with a different name on it.
Same thing...same concept, same Ideal....same broken commandment!
And look they ask us to sacrifice our children into their bent wars continually....killing and slaughtering people for living their way....while the abomonable dance in glee down the streets.
Funny lines of paradoxes...
So was the word of God the truth?
Is there another place called EDEN...and that this world is for dead people?...sinners...evildoers?...and the like?....seems so!
Especially if they imprison Plant growers, and tell everyone they have to pay to live...when God said he gives freely everything!
Now some do not believe, cause they got us all paying for it...or else,... we are outcast, and or called poachers ..insergencies....terrorists...criminals..or other painted lable to bring the mindset to hate...so they can kill more.....and are hunted down and removed and or bound down to prison or worse.
Is this what God wanted?....No!
So why are they doing it?
$atan rules them!
And all live and all die under $atans rule!
Oh so true!
and they continue to kill people for growing plants...when the eco systems are crying out for aid?...and global warming is on the back burners of every nations hot plate.
Wonder why?
I'm wondering what any of this has to do with the Bible most definitely not being written before Adam and Eve.
Is there anyone who believes this who is in a position to discuss with me the logistics of this? Including the implications of this as it relates to the concept of free will?
This is a very good question! These are actually the kind of questions I began to ask before I finally lost my faith in the bible God.
To answer your question, the bible God is supposedly omnipotent and all knowing (this would mean that the bible existed in God's head before Adam and Eve). He also created "everything". Well, if one is omnipotent/all knowing (and the creator of all things), NOTHING truly has "free will"; for EVERYTHING is the imagination, idea, design, and implementation of a sole supreme deity. Now, if NOTHING has free will, "judgement day" just doesn't make any sense; none at all.
As for the Christian belief in one God; that is actually a mistake. In Genesis it clearly states "Let us make man in our image". Chistians today believe that "us/our" was talking about the holy trinity. WRONG!!!
In the hebrew bible (a MUCH older version of the bible than King James) the word "Elohim" is used for God. Elohim is a plural word (Eloah is singular). This is why "us/our" is used instead of "me/my". The singular God in the King James version was a bad translation (one of MANY bad translations).
With that said, there are quite a few books of the bible that were taken out of the bible by the Romans (because they told "too much"). The bottom line here is that most American Christians have NO CLUE what they are actually following. None at all. The sad part is that many of these followers are soooooo afraid of landing on some devil's BBQ grill that they choose to be ignorant and not question their faith.
Last edited by urbancharlotte; 08-13-2010 at 12:02 PM..
This is a very good question! These are actually the kind of questions I began to ask before I finally lost my faith in the bible God.
To answer your question, the bible God is supposedly omnipotent and all knowing (this would mean that the bible existed in God's head before Adam and Eve). He also created "everything". Well, if one is omnipotent/all knowing (and the creator of all things), NOTHING truly has "free will"; for EVERYTHING is the imagination, idea, design, and implementation of a sole supreme deity. Now, if NOTHING has free will, "judgement day" just doesn't make any sense; none at all.
As for the Christian belief in one God; that is actually a mistake. In Genesis it clearly states "Let us make man in our image". Chistians today believe that "us/our" was talking about the holy trinity. WRONG!!!
In the hebrew bible (a MUCH older version of the bible than King James) the word "Elohim" is used for God. Elohim is a plural word (Eloah is singular). This is why "us/our" is used instead of "me/my". The singular God in the King James version was a bad translation (one of MANY bad translations).
With that said, there are quite a few books of the bible that were taken out of the bible by the Romans (because they told "too much"). The bottom line here is that most American Christians have NO CLUE what they are actually following. None at all. The sad part is that many of these followers are soooooo afraid of landing on some devil's BBQ grill that they choose to be ignorant and not question their faith.
I agree with your assessment completely...for I've witnessed this first hand and have had many discussion with the sheeple about why they don't study these things critically. The monothiestic god is nothing more than an offshoot from the polythiestic god El of the Caananites. There are signs all over the OT of the original polythiestic nature...even though they tried desperately to obliterate it...they failed in several areas...Genesis being one of them.
Yup, see, that's where I keep losing the thread of this idea... if God already knows everything that's going to happen, and was able to compose a book (even mentally) about the actions various individuals would take, the conversations they'd have, the decisions they'd make... then that becomes pre-destination, and wipes out the entire concept of free will. It means that not only did God create us knowing most of us would end up burning in hell for eternity, but that he basically set us up to fail at a game we can't possibly win.
None of which makes any sense.
The entire reason we supposedly have sin is because Adam & Eve ate the apple, tempted by the snake. But if they were already destined to eat the apple, and be cast out, then how much free will did they actually ever have to begin with?
If we can't possibly make any choices for ourselves which will lead to an outcome other than the one God already knows... then there actually is no free will. Which means there is no such thing as sin because not a one of us apparently has a choice which path we're going to follow.
I think I have a headache now. Or my brain went 'splodey.
Yup, see, that's where I keep losing the thread of this idea... if God already knows everything that's going to happen, and was able to compose a book (even mentally) about the actions various individuals would take, the conversations they'd have, the decisions they'd make... then that becomes pre-destination, and wipes out the entire concept of free will. It means that not only did God create us knowing most of us would end up burning in hell for eternity, but that he basically set us up to fail at a game we can't possibly win.
None of which makes any sense.
The entire reason we supposedly have sin is because Adam & Eve ate the apple, tempted by the snake. But if they were already destined to eat the apple, and be cast out, then how much free will did they actually ever have to begin with?
If we can't possibly make any choices for ourselves which will lead to an outcome other than the one God already knows... then there actually is no free will. Which means there is no such thing as sin because not a one of us apparently has a choice which path we're going to follow.
I think I have a headache now. Or my brain went 'splodey.
And that my friends...is the pardox and inanity of the entire system all rolled into a nice little ball.
I think I have a headache now. Or my brain went 'splodey.
You shouldn't have a headache; especially when you are 100% correct!!! All you have to do now is research the origins of the bible god, and things might become more clear.
According to my research, all Middle Eastern gods originate in ancient Iraq (Sumer). The Sumerian gods were called the Annunaki. Sumer is considered to be one of the first known civilizations on Earth. What I found most interesting about the Annunaki is that they called man "Adamu". The Annunaki called our land "Eden".
In the bible, God made everything in 6 days, and rested on the 7th. According to the Sumerians, the Annunaki flew past 6 planets, and landed on the 7th (Earth). The Sumerians knew (6,000 years ago) that Earth was the 3rd planet in our solar system. The Sumerians also believed that the Annunaki came from a 10th planet in our solar system. NASA thinks they found a 10th planet back in 1983 with the help of an infared telescope; which brings up the question of how in the world did the Sumerians know about such a planet?
As crazy as the Sumerian story sounds, it is EASY to see how over time their story somehow got passed down to early Chistians. The funny thing is that the Sumerians did not worship a "God" at all. They were the slaves of an alien race of people and they knew it. Now, whether one believes this or not, the fact remains that our bible God originated from a detailed (MUCH older) story about aliens colonizing planet Earth (with humans).
Again, this might all sound silly. But one has to ask, how did the ancients know more about the stars than we do today? Why would they even care about the stars? Why would ancient civilizations all over Earth write about "supernatural beings" in the sky? How did the idea of such beings reach an entire globe that was unable to share information on a global scale yet? How did we build structures (like the Pyramids) that we still don't fully have the technology to build today?
The truth is that there are MANY unanswered questions about our past. One thing that I am sure of is that the bible God is NOT a God, never was a God, and never will be a God. We invented the God of the bible.
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