04-30-2014, 12:42 PM
Location: Punta Gorda and Maryland
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You definitely don't want to build a concrete pool in the freeze zones. Cracks=leaks
That isn't quite true, although cracks (if large enough create / = leaks).
I built 100s of concrete pools in MD, PA, VA, and other areas around DC where it freezes, and grew up with a pool in Western New York (which is outside and filled all winter). It was a concrete shell, with gunite sprayed on. That pool is over 45 years old, and still in operating condition - no leaks, and it has never been relined. We just covered it every winter till mid-April.
04-30-2014, 12:44 PM
Location: Florida
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JERSEY MAN
I noticed most of the pools are some form of concrete in fla. Most of the pools up north have vinyl liners. I wonder why? Cost, weather, looks, longevity or all of the above. Maybe I think access to the water lines under the pool up north just in case a line freezes and has to be replaced. Any input? Thanks as I was looking at a house that had no pool but I would install one as there was plenty of room.
I thought it had to do with the high water table. I've heard stories of fiberglass pools being pushed out of the ground when the pool's water level dropped. Vinyl probably wouldn't last long in this sun.
04-30-2014, 01:00 PM
Location: New Jersey/Florida
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Vinyl probably wouldn't last long in this sun.
This is what I was thinking. We cover the pool around Sept.15 and open around memorial day. So the liner is actually covered up for 8 1/2 months a year. Had my liner for about ten years now, but I'll probably need a new one in 2/3/4 years down the road. I assume if it had 12 months of sun beating on it, the life expectancy would be cut in half. Cost about 2,500 for a basic replacement 16 by 32 from a pool company to do it.
04-30-2014, 03:06 PM
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There are plenty of concrete pools in freeze zones. Many years ago I had to figure out how to re set a concrete pool as the hotel drained the pool and the freezing of the ground popped the whole pool out of the ground. What a mess. What we did was pick the pool up with a crane and clean the area then place the pool back in the original hole and had grout pumped in the void.
04-30-2014, 03:15 PM
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Harbor Hopper
You definitely don't want to build a concrete pool in the freeze zones. Cracks=leaks
Not really an issue.....the cost difference is staggering for concrete vs. liner pools.
04-30-2014, 03:17 PM
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Day 5
It is about 8 full work days to build the pool....make it another 4-5 to lay the deck, put up the birdcage. Of course the glitch is scheduling everyone/inspections, one guy doesn't show/or job fails inspection, the rest of the schedule is doomed!
04-30-2014, 04:18 PM
Location: Lemon Bay, Englewood, FL
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Not really an issue.....the cost difference is staggering for concrete vs. liner pools.
Where I come from (Michigan), nobody installs gunite pools due to freezing & cracking. There is no forgiveness with concrete. It doesn't expand & contract. Once it cracks, it leaks. This year's frost went over 4ft deep! Tell me that isn't going to crack a concrete pool! Not to mention destroy the plumbing if there's any water left in it!
04-30-2014, 04:28 PM
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Harbor Hopper
Where I come from (Michigan), nobody installs gunite pools due to freezing & cracking. There is no forgiveness with concrete. It doesn't expand & contract. Once it cracks, it leaks. This year's frost went over 4ft deep! Tell me that isn't going to crack a concrete pool! Not to mention destroy the plumbing if there's any water left in it!
In New England if you have a multi-million dollar home it will have a concrete pool.....liner pools will be in the cheaper homes. Plenty have been built in cold climates, lasting decades.
Plumbing will be destroyed in any type of pool if water is left in it during a freeze.....moot point.
9.3mm is asking price, that is the guest house in the background! It is a gunite pool.....
04-30-2014, 04:39 PM
Location: Florida
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Where I come from (Michigan), nobody installs gunite pools due to freezing & cracking. There is no forgiveness with concrete. It doesn't expand & contract. Once it cracks, it leaks. This year's frost went over 4ft deep! Tell me that isn't going to crack a concrete pool! Not to mention destroy the plumbing if there's any water left in it!
It's a good thing nobody up there has a concrete or block foundation/basement......
Done right it will last decades. Unfortunately their are many shoddy companies.
04-30-2014, 08:01 PM
Location: Anthem, AZ
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Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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