Was Obamacare constitutional or not? Your thoughts
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We aren’t forced now, but before the Supreme Court struck down the provision, yes, Obama Care forced everyone to buy healthcare insurance or pay a penalty in the thousands of dollars.
You really are an Orwellian nightmare aren’t you? No such thing as an Obama phone ….
Government doesn’t provide free phones. It’s people who qualify for the Lifeline program who provide it. Lifeline began in 1985. Obama just expanded it. So no. No such thing as Obama phone. It was just a talking point for republicans. So I take it you didn’t have health insurance
“Forced” is the key point that anyone with any common sense should easily understand. Good deals do not require forced acceptance. People will naturally choose good deals, and you don’t have to twist their arms. Only bad deals require such force. It’s a very simple concept. What part of this do you find so confusing?
All of the extraneous “reasons” you cite, are just excuses and talking points.
Well again, people who did not have access to affordable health insurance found it a good deal, those who already had great insurance did not. And it was very politicized. It wasn’t just about whether it was a good deal or not. Republicans liked the plan when Mitt Romney first introduced it in Massachusetts, it was only when it was Obama that it became a political dividing line.
Again, ask those parents I mentioned in my previous post how they feel about it. They will say it’s a good deal. Those who already had good health insurance, and good access to healthcare, adopted a “let them eat cake“ attitude about health insurance and access to healthcare. I have mine, scr*w you”. There are multiple people in this very thread, who have said that the ACA is the only reason they have insurance at all, but you don’t care about them.
Taxpayers were forced to pay for my boyfriend’s son’s ACL surgery and therapy, because he chose not to get health insurance. So someone is getting forced to do something they don’t want to do either way. But on this issue, I think politics has much more to do with it than the plan itself. If it had been introduced by Trump and called Trump care, you guys would love it.
Well again, people who did not have access to affordable health insurance found it a good deal, those who already had great insurance did not. And it was very politicized. It wasn’t just about whether it was a good deal or not. Republicans liked the plan when Mitt Romney first introduced it in Massachusetts, it was only when it was Obama that it became a political dividing line.
Again, ask those parents I mentioned in my previous post how they feel about it. They will say it’s a good deal. Those who already had good health insurance, and good access to healthcare, adopted a “let them eat cake“ attitude about health insurance and access to healthcare. I have mine, scr*w you”. There are multiple people in this very thread, who have said that the ACA is the only reason they have insurance at all, but you don’t care about them.
Maybe that’s an easy answer, but it’s not the correct one. The correct answer is to shut down this monopoly run by the medical mafia, and make healthcare truly free market, private enterprise, free from the top down control of the Pharma Cartel that now has a death grip on healthcare.
If you think government should manage a public healthcare system, you’ve lost your bloody mind, given how incompetent they’ve shown to be with the Veteran’s Administration, Medicare and Medicaid, all disasters.
What are you basing your statement on that VA, Medicare and Medicaid are disasters? My boyfriend gets his healthcare exclusively through VA, and while, of course, it has issues, he’s had good care and not had to pay more than $15 for any service. And I work in healthcare I’ve worked in healthcare for 25 years. Medicare is a very well run program, albeit not as much for lower income retirees, and since the ACA expanded Medicaid, that is also a good program. You get better care in either of the three, then many private insurance plans. But in our facility, we would much rather have patients on traditional Medicare than on an advantage plan or another private insurance plan.
It would be cheaper under a system like Medicare for all, because doctor's wouldn't need a staff of half a dozen to navigate all the different insurances, appeals, etc.
Yeah, but that is Marxism and evil. We cant have low paid workers avoiding wage garnishments and being taken to court and bankrupted by the righteous hospital conglomerates.
Government or corporations. One will own you. Some pick corporations and a healthy dose of 'I have mine. I don't care if you lose everything.'
Sometimes there are no good answers. healthcare is apparently one of them.
BTW plenty of people lost everything due to medical debt before insurance was common. It was fewer times because more people died. I have ancestors that happened to and bankruptcy was much harsher. The court sold everything but the clothes on their backs. The court auction even sold their clothes that were in the house, all the furniture, everything.
So just cancel your health insurance then. And doctors and hospitals would even charge more Medications cost a lot of money. But you go first and cancel your insurance. Tell me how that goes
Natalie, why are you always on the wrong side of every debate? The laws of mathematics would insist that you’d have to be right about something, once in a while, even if by accident ?
Guess what? For the vast majority of history of America, there was no “health insurance”. You do realize that this current Ponzi scheme really didn’t become what it is today until just recently, over the past 20 years, right? You speak as if health insurance is oxygen, and we’d all die within minutes of not having it.
I got news for you …. Allopathic medicine is the third leading cause of death in the United States, just behind Cancer and Heart Disease, from medical mistakes, to prescription drugs taken as directed. There was a good documentary on this a few years ago called “Death by Medicine”.
Not only is medicine the 3rd leading cause of death, there is no way to rule out medicine’s contribution to the other two major killers, cancer and heart disease. I’m convinced medicine has played a huge role in advancing those diseases too, since over 100 Million Americans were injected with polio vaccine tainted with cancer viruses, as just one example, and there are many others! .
No, Natalie, we wouldn’t be seeing bodies pile up on the sides of the road, without the precious sick-care system. We actually might live longer, healthier lives without this abomination pretending to be the main source of wellness, when it is anything but that.
We certainly would have come through Covid a lot better without injecting 65% of the world with a slow kill bioweapon injection!
I know two people that are only alive because they had ACA insurance and were able to get the care they needed in a timely manner. Europe recognizes that everyone deserves healthcare. It’s time we do too.
It's become more important in the USA to fix a few hard cases by forcing socialistic outcomes on the rest of the populace, as if they're magically made of money. Obamacare and health care insurance inflation, government programs to feed people who refuse to work and or are illegals, bailing out the rich so they can buy all the housing, insane student loans just to get a decent job and on and on. $34.681 trillion in debt, an already mostly decimated middle class, and Gen Z already losing hope that they'll ever be able to afford the American Dream. People have started less families for a reason. Hope and change, the new results-based system of decades of junk legislation. Reap what you sew mon frère and mon frère-ets!
I know two people that are only alive because they had ACA insurance and were able to get the care they needed in a timely manner. Europe recognizes that everyone deserves healthcare. It’s time we do too.
Good for you. That does not affect the conversation in any way, and is purely anecdotal. Of course there are many lives saved by emergency trauma medicine, as one good example. However, that doesn’t negate the harms being caused.
Here, as officially listed in the National Library of Health, which I might point out is far from a “conspiracy theory” source ….
Errors in Health Care: A Leading Cause of Death and Injury
Preventable adverse events are a leading cause of death in the United States. When extrapolated to the over 33.6 million admissions to U.S. hospitals in 1997, the results of these two studies imply that at least 44,000 and perhaps as many as 98,000 Americans die in hospitals each year as a result of medical errors. 3 Even when using the lower estimate, deaths in hospitals due to preventable adverse events exceed the number attributable to the 8th-leading cause of death. 4 Deaths due to preventable adverse events exceed the deaths attributable to motor vehicle accidents (43,458), breast cancer (42,297) or AIDS (16,516)
The above are only deadly errors occurring in hospitals. There are other estimates that indicate that over 200,000 people die each year from pharmaceuticals prescribed by doctors, and taken as directed.
Hospital patients represent only a fraction of the total population at risk of experiencing a medication-related error. In 1998, nearly 2.5 billion prescriptions were dispensed by U.S. pharmacies at a cost of about $92 billion. 13 Numerous studies document errors in prescribing medications, 14 , 15 dispensing by pharmacists, 16 and unintentional non-adherence on the part of the patient.
There are a vast number of un-acknowledged complications and long term health impacts from the massive amounts of pharmaceutical drugs now being dispensed, all for the love of money, not good health.
Was Obamacare constitutional or not? Your thoughts
I believe an answer to your question is found in Federalist No. 45:
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected.
The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State."
Additionally, the Tenth Amendment declares:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States, respectively, or to the people.
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