Was Obamacare constitutional or not? Your thoughts
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Gov't overreach is what is destroying our healthcare system, & Obamacare is a big part of the problem.
Get gov't out of healthcare, have citizens oversight of Docs, Pharma, Hospitals, & Insurers instead of gov't.
Capitalism is what is destroying healthcare. And I say this as a capitalist, and as someone who earns a living in one of the entities mentioned below. But let's be real here.
There is profit taken out of every input from the second you pay your premium until the second you pay your hospital bill. The only people healthcare works for are the shareholders.
You - Pay insurance, prescription, medical care
Insurance Company -> % to shareholders
Ambulance ride -> % to shareholders
Hospital -> % to shareholders
Medical equipment -> % to shareholders
Medical software -> % to shareholders
Prescription -> % to shareholders
Pharmacy to pick up prescription -> % to shareholders
The point being you spend your hard earned dollars which you believe to be earmarked for healthcare but at every step of the process* you're only increasing corporate values and dividends.
*Unless you choose a non-profit hospital.
Look at the corporate offices of Big Pharma or the Insurance industries. These big, beautiful buildings in expensive locations weren't a gift from God. These were paid for by your contribution for "healthcare".
Its crazy, to me anyway, the level of care this country enjoyed before everything became corporate and healthcare driven by lobbyists. You and I aren't benefitting from Obamacare or the Trump vaccine....those programs were bought and paid for by special interests.
Exactly correct.
Would not have got by the SC if Roberts did not write Law from the Bench to change it.
More than doubled my premiums also with same coverage with much higher deductible and Max out of pocket.
That’s because it required insurers cover basic things like mammograms and chemotherapy. As well as pre-existing conditions, and to remove lifetime limits. Mine went up too, but I was grateful to have ACA when I was laid off. As I said in other threads, those who already had good insurance were against it, and those who didn’t were for it. Ask parents who had a three year old with cancer hit their “lifetime limit” after a year of chemo surgery and radiation how they feel about it, or parents with kids who were born with heart defects and couldn’t get covered at all.
Exactly correct.
Would not have got by the SC if Roberts did not write Law from the Bench to change it.
More than doubled my premiums also with same coverage with much higher deductible and Max out of pocket.
Mine as well, plus having to deal with the Great Recession on top of it. I had great insurance through my employer at the time, and was lucky enough to make it through two separate layoffs. But, Obamacare caused so many price increases the next few years that my company switched to an inferior plan via another insurance provider in order to keep costs down. What I then did was get a private plan that matched the coverage of the previous great plan, before Obamacare officially went into law, which is before all the choice plans went *poof*. I still have that private plan as it's grandfathered in, only because it would later meet existing Obamacare requirements. As the premiums have gone up so much as I have aged, I'd love to have more options for less coverage at a cheaper price like you used to be able to do. It's $420.67 per month, and that's with a 10K deductible. I can't reconfigure the coverage à la carte to meet my current expected needs; I only keep the private plan because it gives me flexibility if I get fired, quit or get laid off. As we know, health insurance only goes up every year, and it's definitely been doing that. Any Obamacare plans aren't going to be any cheaper, and may even cost me more! (They don't list pricing in my state unless you sign up for the exchange, so I have no gauge for current prices).
Pre-Obamacare you could still get plans without having to go through an employer, but now you can't even get a less coverage/cheaper plan if you wanted to because you have pay for comprehensive coverage that meets Obamacare metrics entirely. As long as other people "got theirs," though.
Then why is capitalism destroying healthcare, but no other industry sector?
Do you think capitalism is the best economic system on Earth? If not, what is?
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Originally Posted by BoSox 15
Capitalism is what is destroying healthcare. And I say this as a capitalist, and as someone who earns a living in one of the entities mentioned below. But let's be real here.
There is profit taken out of every input from the second you pay your premium until the second you pay your hospital bill. The only people healthcare works for are the shareholders.
You - Pay insurance, prescription, medical care
Insurance Company -> % to shareholders
Ambulance ride -> % to shareholders
Hospital -> % to shareholders
Medical equipment -> % to shareholders
Medical software -> % to shareholders
Prescription -> % to shareholders
Pharmacy to pick up prescription -> % to shareholders
The point being you spend your hard earned dollars which you believe to be earmarked for healthcare but at every step of the process* you're only increasing corporate values and dividends.
*Unless you choose a non-profit hospital.
Look at the corporate offices of Big Pharma or the Insurance industries. These big, beautiful buildings in expensive locations weren't a gift from God. These were paid for by your contribution for "healthcare".
Its crazy, to me anyway, the level of care this country enjoyed before everything became corporate and healthcare driven by lobbyists. You and I aren't benefitting from Obamacare or the Trump vaccine....those programs were bought and paid for by special interests.
Was Obamacare constitutional or not? Your thoughts
That tax part was 100% illegal. The government cannot force you to buy things under threat of a tax penalty.
Fortunately that was finally ruled illegal and it's gone.
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If not, what is?