Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Legal immigration is a wonderful thing. It has made our country the wonderful nation that it is. The idea that cheap, illegal labor can make some rich at the expense of their fellow Americans is just not right. We are a nation of laws. I don't get the people who think that all the other laws should be obeyed and that we should just look the other way when it comes to illegal aliens. How many of them would let me break into their homes, comandeer one of their bedrooms, mooch their food and other proerty and sit around all day, smoking dope? Why is that any different than letting illegals flood into this country and suck up all our resources that WE have to pay for??? And why in the world aren't Hispanic Americans and legal immigrants screaming bloody murder instead of marching in the streets? It's THEIR jobs these lawbreakers are getting. As well as lowering the wages of ALL workers.
Maybe the answer is temporary AGRICULTURAL visas that foreigners can get to come into this country and work in the fields. THAT'S a job most Americans won't do. The other jobs like construction, trucking, and many others WOULD be done byu Americans if they were paid a living wage.
We Immigration reform , the current system is broken and unfair , certain countries get priority over others.
The problem is the DRUG TRADE, scapegoating all illegals for the activities of the DRUG CARTELS is no different with hanging the MAFIA on all Italians. We need the Army on the border to stop the drug trade and we need a way for migrant workers to come in through control points wher they are not being used by DRUG CARTELS.
Droolrockworm, I have to "show my papers" every time I enter a truck weigh station. Every time I get stopped for a roadside inspection. And, when I'm out West, I go through the same immigration checkpoints as everyone else. I have no problems showing my papers. I cannot imagine that law enforcement personnel in AZ will even have time to stop people that they believe are here illegally unless there is another reason to do so. They're so busy doing their normal jobs. But I think it's a GREAT idea that they can check for immigration status when they stop people for other reasons. Seems to me loitering outside of a Home Depot in the morning looking for work oughta fit that bill, too.
I'm married to a woman who jumped through ALL the hoops to become an American citizen. It's a slap in the face to her and EVERYONE else here that has gone to the trouble and expense to follow our laws. We need to do everything possible to make it difficult and uncomfortable for illegal aliens (I'm sorry; I want to barf every time I hear our idiotic media refer to them as "undocumented workers" ) to enter and survive in this country.
I am glad to have you as a citizen and again let me point out that I am NOT for allowing anyone to be here illegally however; as part of that law it is a requirement that if a policeman doesn't ask someone who "may" be illegal they must ask for those papers or they can lose their job so my guess is they will (whether they have time or not). This is not a secondary law it is a primary one (they don't have to have another reason to ask you...the law IS all the reason they need) Additionally, I appreciate that you chose to be a citizen of our great country and I since you have done it the right way why should you be hassled if you don't look the way a law officer thinks you should. Part of the reason I guess that you wanted to be an American Citizen is for the freedoms that come with it...I don't believe that in America you should be required to prove your innocence no matter what color your skin, or your accent or whatever else someone wants to pin on you. We are innocent til proven guilty and unless there is a reasonable doubt you should not have to be required to prove your citizenship anymore than I should...you are an American now.
I think you're missing the point. At any time under the new law a police officer MUST ask someone that MIGHT be an illigal for his papers if they can't produce them then they can be arrested for deportation. Hell, why not just make them wear a little yellow star or something so that they don't need to ask. There are legal immigrants in AZ too, but they will have to be asked everytime if they appear to be illegal or the policeman can be sued and fired. I agree that to combat immigration issues you must keep them from being hired illegally thus taking away their reason for crossing illegally. I can't believe that this law can possibly be Constitutional. I am very much in favor of saving American jobs and against illegal immigration but legalized racism is not reasonable...ie. The ends do not justify the means.
The federal government passed a law in 1940 that made it mandatory for any non-citizen to carry proof that they are here legally. This law is clearly constitutional. And it is nothing unique to Arizona. If the feds had enforced their own laws for the last 70 years Arizona wouldn't be in this predicament.
And illegal immigration is a function of nationality and geography. It has nothing to do with race. Therefore it cannot be legalized racism.
I am glad to have you as a citizen and again let me point out that I am NOT for allowing anyone to be here illegally however; as part of that law it is a requirement that if a policeman doesn't ask someone who "may" be illegal they must ask for those papers or they can lose their job so my guess is they will (whether they have time or not). This is not a secondary law it is a primary one (they don't have to have another reason to ask you...the law IS all the reason they need) Additionally, I appreciate that you chose to be a citizen of our great country and I since you have done it the right way why should you be hassled if you don't look the way a law officer thinks you should. Part of the reason I guess that you wanted to be an American Citizen is for the freedoms that come with it...I don't believe that in America you should be required to prove your innocence no matter what color your skin, or your accent or whatever else someone wants to pin on you. We are innocent til proven guilty and unless there is a reasonable doubt you should not have to be required to prove your citizenship anymore than I should...you are an American now.
Droolrockworm, it is my WIFE that emigrated here from Germany; I was born in Charleston, SC. Believe you me, I understand the ramifications of law enforcement being allowed to randomly stop people to ask for their papers. I also understand that not all illegals are Hispanic; get farther North from the Mexican border and you'll find illegals from Eastern Europe, Africa and other places, as well. I believe we need to go after employers who hire illegals and (as much as I have concrens with it) the Real ID program must be improved. I also believe that you should be required to show ID to vote. Again, I doubt that law enforcement will spend lots of time stopping people to check their citizenship. If you're stopped and you're illegal, you should suffer the consequences. If you've got a legal right to be here, go on with your business. I think the larger issue is that SO many Americans are fed u[p with the federal government's inaction to the point of wanting some REAL solutions, as difficult as they may be.
The problem is the DRUG TRADE, scapegoating all illegals for the activities of the DRUG CARTELS is no different with hanging the MAFIA on all Italians. We need the Army on the border to stop the drug trade and we need a way for migrant workers to come in through control points wher they are not being used by DRUG CARTELS.
Yes, bring all those military people in overseas bases back to the United States and guard our border and land. The ones benefiting the most directly from our military people stationed overseas are the host countries. Our military personnel are nothing but sitting targets in those countries bring them back to the United States and let them take care of our borders instead of watching over other countries borders overseas.
Illegal immigration undermine legal immigration. One particular country south of border even gets preferential treatment even with LEGAL migration process. There is a long waiting period for legal migration to the United States but this country gets shorter wait times compared to others. Enough is enough!!!!! Politicians need to tackle this long abandoned problem of illegals in this country. BRAVO to Arizona!!!
The federal government passed a law in 1940 that made it mandatory for any non-citizen to carry proof that they are here legally. This law is clearly constitutional. And it is nothing unique to Arizona. If the feds had enforced their own laws for the last 70 years Arizona wouldn't be in this predicament.
And illegal immigration is a function of nationality and geography. It has nothing to do with race. Therefore it cannot be legalized racism.
Jim Crow Laws were also a function of geography and nationality yet I doubt you can find many that wouldn't call it racism. The issue of having to show your papers on request is the issue not that you have to have them. When you are pulled over for speeding or any violation of a law you need to show your licence and registration...I have no problem with this. If you pull me over to prove that I have either because of the way I look...that I have a problem with. It goes back to the primary nature of this law...once again none of us needs to prove our citizenship unless there is cause. Perhaps we should tattoo a number on their forearms for clear ID...by all means lets continue to erode our individual rights in this country. The Constitution (Bill of rights) gives you the right to "innocent until proven guilty" and I would rather allow 10 illegals rather that 1 American to lose that right. BTW I seriously doubt that Arizonan's would be nearly as happy to weaken rights if it was the 2nd Amendment that was in question. Do you think for a minute that anyone (including me) would be okay for a policeman coming to your house to see your bill of sale on guns?
Congrats to the Ohio board for discussing this without calling everyone a racist or bigot.
I currently reside in New Mexico. Albuquerque and Santa Fe are both "Sanctuary Cities". Meaning immigration laws are basically just not enforced. Santa Fe has a minimum wage of $10 an hour. (which is ridiculous and a discussion for another time) Unemployment in Santa Fe in particular is high right now and LOTS of illegals are here because it is a sanctuary city and because of the high minimum wage. I couldn't get a job washing dishes here if I needed to! Illegals do not only take undesirable jobs - for example an illegal was a supervisor at a restaurant I used to manage.
While I applaud the Arizona law, I am very worried that illegals will stop going to Arizona, resulting in a huge influx to California and New Mexico. I'm betting that within a year or two crime rates in San Diego, Los Angeles and Albuquerque will be significantly higher.
Jim Crow Laws were also a function of geography and nationality yet I doubt you can find many that wouldn't call it racism. The issue of having to show your papers on request is the issue not that you have to have them. When you are pulled over for speeding or any violation of a law you need to show your licence and registration...I have no problem with this. If you pull me over to prove that I have either because of the way I look...that I have a problem with. It goes back to the primary nature of this law...once again none of us needs to prove our citizenship unless there is cause. Perhaps we should tattoo a number on their forearms for clear ID...by all means lets continue to erode our individual rights in this country. The Constitution (Bill of rights) gives you the right to "innocent until proven guilty" and I would rather allow 10 illegals rather that 1 American to lose that right. BTW I seriously doubt that Arizonan's would be nearly as happy to weaken rights if it was the 2nd Amendment that was in question. Do you think for a minute that anyone (including me) would be okay for a policeman coming to your house to see your bill of sale on guns?
Droolrockworm, the AZ law has ben amended to require that someone be stopped for an offense or some other "probable cause" before immigration status can be checked. And I'm comfortable with that. I definitely agree with you about law enforcement not being able to enter our homes without a search warrant. As for "innocent until proven guilty", I'm subject to random drug testing because I'm a truck driver. I object to that search, as well. But the drug testing lobby is doing their best to expand THAT by leaps and bounds. Anyway, the illegal alien problem is SO large that we must get a handle on it and I think this AZ law goes a long way to address it. I hope Ohio and all other states pass similar legislation. I don't even know why law-breaking illegal aliens have any rights in this country. They should have the right to be sent home...
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
