Ohio cities homicide rates (Cleveland, Cincinnati: crime, layoffs, murder rate)

[1watertiger]

true2him, you need to read the entire hamilton county site. 103 are total homicides for hamilton county , 68 took place in the city of cincy.. note: bodies brought in from outside hamilton county are also counted in the totals of different deaths.. ps- cincy metro is no different than cleveland metro. in fact they are alot alike with the cities surrounded by many suburbs. columbus is another story.

[true2him]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

true2him, you need to read the entire hamilton county site. 103 are total homicides for hamilton county , 68 took place in the city of cincy.. note: bodies brought in from outside hamilton county are also counted in the totals of different deaths.. ps- cincy metro is no different than cleveland metro. in fact they are alot alike with the cities surrounded by many suburbs. columbus is another story.

you are missing the point what u are calling suburbs are not suburbs plus the murders that take place out side city limits are really inside the actual city.When go through what u are calling a suburb when u come out that what u r calling you are back in the city limits! All but 6 hamilton county murders in 2007 were by people who live in city limits which means 97 murders by people from the city

[true2him]

Note hamilton county doe's not accept bodies from outside the county!Have you ever lived in cincinnati! because i haved 14 years! 27% of the county crimes happens outside city limits by men and women from inside the city limits.Like a week and a half ago 2 young guys got shot and killed on the highway at the woodlawn evendale split on I75 both man lived and r from westwood a nbrhood out west down n cincinnati coming from a club out in sharonville a suburb those 2 murders go for the county not the city of cincinnati even though the killer was from city and they were from the city they make woodlawn or evendale take blame for the murder even though nobody from woodlawn or evendale had anything 2 do with it.You have 2 uderstand all the main clubs and pool halls ect. are in the suburbs there is 1 main club in the city it is called the ritz thats it all the rest are "qoute" outside the city limits.So 68 murders in 2007 is a technical term its not the reality 97 murders,with 30 decomposed bodies that undetermined which at the very least half were murdered.

[Cincy-Rise]

I'm not sure what true2him is talking about, but he's correct in that let's say Norwood, OH (it's own municipality) is a city within a city. Actually, it's one of the largest cities within a city in the U.S. and it's population is not counted in with Cincinnati's ... go figure. It's also one of the most dense cities in the state of OH.

I believe MI has a couple of instances like this as well.

[true2him]

Originally Posted by Cincy-Rise

I'm not sure what true2him is talking about, but he's correct in that let's say Norwood, OH (it's own municipality) is a city within a city. Actually, it's one of the largest cities within a city in the U.S. and it's population is not counted in with Cincinnati's ... go figure. It's also one of the most dense cities in the state of OH.

I believe MI has a couple of instances like this as well.

right!Get this norwood is 29,000 its pop is counted towards cincinnati pop but if you get killed in norwood it's norwoods murder thats dirty! when i lived in the nati norwood is just a nbrhood not a city but 2 be technical it is a city,lincoln heights even though a city 2 be technical is called zone 15 just a ruff nbrhood.

[BelieveInCleve]

Cincinnati has 17 murders this year so far, not 36.

true2him, you honestly dont know what youre talking about. Obviously this topic is important to you for some reason, because you felt the need to join just to participate in this thread and nothing else since all your posts are in here.

There are many cases like that where there are cities surrounded by other cities. For example, Detroit, Cleveland, cities in Texas, etc. Those other cities are separate and their population is not counted in the main city, so it would only make sense that the murders from there arent counted for the major city either. Undetermined deaths are not all murders, and if you want to say that almost every major city has many undetermined deaths that could have been homicide, if you want to count that for Cincinnati you have to count all them for all the other cities as well. Also, Cincinnati did not have 97 homicides last year or anything close to that, the city of Cincinnati only takes up a small portion of Hamilton County. Even if you wanted to do it that way then you would have to add all the other suburbs population for Cincinnati, and it would make the murder rate even lower than it is now.


And to wesohood and 1watertiger, I believe that East Cleveland has had about 3 homicides so far. That link is missing a lot of homicides. Cleveland has around 38 now. Cuyahoga County is in the 50s now.

[jam40jeff]

Originally Posted by 1watertiger

wesohood, according to the link EC has just 2... Northeast Ohio homicides Cleveland Ohio Statistics & Demographics | Data Central - cleveland.com . the metro has had 53 homicides with cleveland having 34 of them. the site might be missing a few recent killings if the coroner has not officially ruled yet... true2him, as of 4/17/09 cincy had 17 homicides. see post#17 above from scoob and read his link.

53 includes Akron, which is not part of metro Cleveland (at least according to the Census bureau. It is under 40 if you only include the area of the Cleveland MSA.

[1watertiger]

jam40jeff, the chart is tracking the 7 county cmsa which includes akron.. if you subtract the 9 listed homicides from summit county you are left with 44... question, is hudson,twinsburg,macedonia,aurora,peninsula,bath,r ichfield or streetsboro suburbs of akron or cleveland? the reason i ask is because people who move south or southeast from cleveland think its a cleveland burb and the people who move north and northeast from akron think of them as akron burbs.

[jam40jeff]

They're suburbs of both. According to the Census Bureau, however, all of them are in the Akron MSA. (Although I would argue that Macedonia and Twinsburg especially are more suburbs of Cleveland, whereas Bath and Peninsula are more suburbs of Akron). This is why it is ridiculous Cleveland and Akron aren't in the same MSA. Cuyahoga County would fit the definition of being within Akron's MSA, and Summit County would fit the definition of being within Cleveland's MSA. However, since the Census Bureau has determined that Akron is a "major central city" it receives its own MSA and "steals" from counties which would otherwise be part of the Cleveland MSA. If both cities were not sprawling this would not be the case, but it is the reality of the situation (similar to why, on a much smaller scale, Lorain and Elyria are included in the Cleveland MSA).

[1watertiger]

jam40jeff, i agree 100%.