When will the Great Climate Migration to Ohio begin in full force? (Columbus: oceanfront, condo)

[SlideRules99]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Over on the Chicago forum, many are chalking up their city’s first population growth in decades as the first sign of a reverse migration away from super hot areas that will only get worse with climate change.
I think the power outages and virus resurgence this year woke up a certain amount of people down south that year-round summer may not be worth it if the rest of your day-to-day life can go to crap at any time because of gunslinging politicians who value the theory of extreme individualism over the implications of its (non)practicality in real life.

Interesting theory, but couple things:

1) 2020 census (begun Apr 2020) would not be picking up any appreciable COVID driven movement, including any of the recent Delta variant stuff and associated political posturing.

2) Illinois was one of only 3 states to lose population outright. On average, states in the West and South grew the fastest. TX and FL grew at 16% and 15%, respectively.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...tes-in-america

I happen to believe there WILL be a net future population migration back into the Midwest and NE as a result of climate change. Heck, I’m one such data point.

However, if anyone is looking for objective evidence of that in 2020 census data, I just don’t see it. I personally believe future surveys will pick up on the trend, though.

BTW, the acute (existential threat) type climate events are happening more in the West than the South. Swaths of the West are burning and/or choked with wildfire smoke. Cities are running out of water (e.g., Mendocino CA). Unprecedented heat waves are generating casualties. This is all happening as we speak. I personally know people who have had it, and are planning escapes.

[Transplant99]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Over on the Chicago forum, many are chalking up their city’s first population growth in decades as the first sign of a reverse migration away from super hot areas that will only get worse with climate change.
I think the power outages and virus resurgence this year woke up a certain amount of people down south that year-round summer may not be worth it if the rest of your day-to-day life can go to crap at any time because of gunslinging politicians who value the theory of extreme individualism over the implications of its (non)practicality in real life.

Or maybe it's just that Chicago's population finally bottomed out. The Census definitely paints a different picture - Phoenix is the fastest growing big city in the U.S., and "warm" cities in TX, TN, and FL are exploding with growth.

[ManApplet]

Originally Posted by SlideRules99

Interesting theory, but couple things:

1) 2020 census (begun Apr 2020) would not be picking up any appreciable COVID driven movement, including any of the recent Delta variant stuff and associated political posturing.

2) Illinois was one of only 3 states to lose population outright. On average, states in the West and South grew the fastest. TX and FL grew at 16% and 15%, respectively.

Yeah well .. they gonna need some new blood because they be dying the fastest right now. Nature has a way of leveling the playing field

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...tes-in-america

I happen to believe there WILL be a net future population migration back into the Midwest and NE as a result of climate change. Heck, I’m one such data point.

However, if anyone is looking for objective evidence of that in 2020 census data, I just don’t see it. I personally believe future surveys will pick up on the trend, though.

BTW, the acute (existential threat) type climate events are happening more in the West than the South. Swaths of the West are burning and/or choked with wildfire smoke. Cities are running out of water (e.g., Mendocino CA). Unprecedented heat waves are generating casualties. This is all happening as we speak. I personally know people who have had it, and are planning escapes.

[SlideRules99]

Originally Posted by ManApplet

Yeah well .. they gonna need some new blood because they be dying the fastest right now. Nature has a way of leveling the playing field

I thought this was a climate change migration thread. Oh well…

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Natural510

Over on the Chicago forum, many are chalking up their city’s first population growth in decades as the first sign of a reverse migration away from super hot areas that will only get worse with climate change.
I think the power outages and virus resurgence this year woke up a certain amount of people down south that year-round summer may not be worth it if the rest of your day-to-day life can go to crap at any time because of gunslinging politicians who value the theory of extreme individualism over the implications of its (non)practicality in real life.

I was just reading a thread over on the Columbus Reddit about transportation that veered mostly into climate change. One poster mentioned moving from Phoenix to Columbus specifically because of climate change and that they were actively engaged in trying to get move people to make the move from the Southwest. It's definitely happening to some degree.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Transplant99

Or maybe it's just that Chicago's population finally bottomed out. The Census definitely paints a different picture - Phoenix is the fastest growing big city in the U.S., and "warm" cities in TX, TN, and FL are exploding with growth.

Phoenix is nowhere near the fastest-growing big city. New York added like 4x what they did. I think New York added more people than just about any single city in America. If you're going by percentages, it's going to vastly skew the numbers. Actual feet on the ground matter more than percentage change from a lower base.

All of those places, except TN to a lesser degree, are also on borrowed time.

[nadnerb]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Phoenix is nowhere near the fastest-growing big city. New York added like 4x what they did. I think New York added more people than just about any single city in America. If you're going by percentages, it's going to vastly skew the numbers. Actual feet on the ground matter more than percentage change from a lower base.

All of those places, except TN to a lesser degree, are also on borrowed time.

Using this logic, did Phoenix grow faster than Columbus since it added more people?

[bjimmy24]

My family member who works for the Census has described this year's results as "interesting, but probably not useful."

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by nadnerb

Using this logic, did Phoenix grow faster than Columbus since it added more people?

Yes, it did.

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

Phoenix is nowhere near the fastest-growing big city. New York added like 4x what they did. I think New York added more people than just about any single city in America. If you're going by percentages, it's going to vastly skew the numbers. Actual feet on the ground matter more than percentage change from a lower base.

All of those places, except TN to a lesser degree, are also on borrowed time.

You "go by percentages" because that's what "fastest-growing" means: greatest rate of growth. You don't get to re-define words just because you don't like certain cities. Phoenix is the fastest-growing city with a population greater than 1 million: fact. You hate Phoenix: also fact. And that's about the end of that discussion.