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I think many people are going to be fleeing TO Florida and Texas to get away from COVID tyranny and vaccine mandates. Thanks Bid...er.. shadowy globalist overlords dictating our laws now.
Hopefully you are right. All of the anti-science, anti-social welfare, pro-fossil fuel consumption, fake conspiracy dimwits will congregate in Florida and collectively suffer the consequences.
Whether one or more Class 5/6 hurricanes collapse the property insurance market, or the Delta variant ravages Florida students in coming months even as high levels of long COVID impair worker productivity and raises Florida health insurance premiums, Florida is NOT a place for intelligent, informed individuals, especially those who aren't willing to trade quality of life for lower taxes. Oh yeah, Florida is on the cusp on accelerating sea level rise (and wet bulb temperature increases), and no one there wants to deal with the implications. Also, the Gulf Stream reportedly is slowing, with even more disastrous implications for Florida.
Just a few years ago, I seriously considered relocating to Florida. Now, when I think of living in Florida, Robert Frost's "Fire and Ice" constantly pops into my head.
Many millionaire/billionaire individuals who fled to Florida now are having second thoughts.
<<“The main problem with moving to Florida is that you have to live in Florida,” said Jason Mudrick, who oversees $3 billion at Mudrick Capital Management and has resided in Manhattan for more than two decades.>>
Florida’s COVID-19 surge is so out of control that if the state were a nation, the U.S. “would have to consider banning travel” from its residents, warned an infectious disease expert.
Infection levels in Florida have risen 51% in the last seven days, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. The state reported 134,506 new COVID-19 cases from July 30 to Aug. 5, more than any other seven-day period.
“The viral load in Florida is so high right now, there are really only two places on the planet where it’s higher” — Louisiana and Botswana, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor at the George Washington School of Medicine and Health Sciences, said on CNN Sunday.
“It’s so high in Florida that I think if Florida were another country, we would have to consider banning travel from Florida to the United States.”>>
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis opposed public health measures to combat the COVID Alpha variant, and seems oblivious that the Delta variant is much more contagious and possibly virulent. DeSantis seemingly is oblivious to the fact that children under 12 are not yet eligible for vaccination.
<<DeSantis cited a study, conducted in part by Brown University researcher Emily Oster, that did not find "a correlation between mask mandates and COVID-19 rates" in schools in Florida, New York and Massachusetts. Other researchers have pointed out that the study had a big caveat: The data didnt look at whether students contracted COVID-19 in or outside of school. Oster herself has said that the data sets were collected before the spread of the hyper-transmissible delta variant, according to The Associated Press.>>
The anti-COVID public health measure stance of Florida politicians apparently is exacerbating Florida's shortage of nurses. Who wants to risk their lives because of inept public policy?
<<Marissa Lee, a nurse at Oceola Regional Medical Center in Kissimmee, spoke about the kind of “moral distress” she’s experienced for the first time in her 36 years as a nurse. She said it’s due to a lack of proper personal protective equipment, disproportionate staffing and lack of communication from corporate entities.
“Florida is a hot mess,” Lee said. “They are staffing at unsafe levels. The staffing level has gotten so unsafe that nurses are leaving.”
In a COVID-19 unit at Lee’s hospital, there are only four full time nurses. The rest are travel nurses.>>
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Hopefully you are right. All of the anti-science, anti-social welfare, pro-fossil fuel consumption, fake conspiracy dimwits will congregate in Florida and collectively suffer the consequences.
Whether one or more Class 5/6 hurricanes collapse the property insurance market, or the Delta variant ravages Florida students in coming months even as high levels of long COVID impair worker productivity and raises Florida health insurance premiums, Florida is NOT a place for intelligent, informed individuals, especially those who aren't willing to trade quality of life for lower taxes. Oh yeah, Florida is on the cusp on accelerating sea level rise (and wet bulb temperature increases), and no one there wants to deal with the implications. Also, the Gulf Stream reportedly is slowing, with even more disastrous implications for Florida.
Just a few years ago, I seriously considered relocating to Florida. Now, when I think of living in Florida, Robert Frost's "Fire and Ice" constantly pops into my head.
Many millionaire/billionaire individuals who fled to Florida now are having second thoughts.
<<“The main problem with moving to Florida is that you have to live in Florida,” said Jason Mudrick, who oversees $3 billion at Mudrick Capital Management and has resided in Manhattan for more than two decades.>>
Florida’s COVID-19 surge is so out of control that if the state were a nation, the U.S. “would have to consider banning travel” from its residents, warned an infectious disease expert.
Infection levels in Florida have risen 51% in the last seven days, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. The state reported 134,506 new COVID-19 cases from July 30 to Aug. 5, more than any other seven-day period.
“The viral load in Florida is so high right now, there are really only two places on the planet where it’s higher” — Louisiana and Botswana, Dr. Jonathan Reiner, a professor at the George Washington School of Medicine and Health Sciences, said on CNN Sunday.
“It’s so high in Florida that I think if Florida were another country, we would have to consider banning travel from Florida to the United States.”>>
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis opposed public health measures to combat the COVID Alpha variant, and seems oblivious that the Delta variant is much more contagious and possibly virulent. DeSantis seemingly is oblivious to the fact that children under 12 are not yet eligible for vaccination.
<<DeSantis cited a study, conducted in part by Brown University researcher Emily Oster, that did not find "a correlation between mask mandates and COVID-19 rates" in schools in Florida, New York and Massachusetts. Other researchers have pointed out that the study had a big caveat: The data didnt look at whether students contracted COVID-19 in or outside of school. Oster herself has said that the data sets were collected before the spread of the hyper-transmissible delta variant, according to The Associated Press.>>
The anti-COVID public health measure stance of Florida politicians apparently is exacerbating Florida's shortage of nurses. Who wants to risk their lives because of inept public policy?
<<Marissa Lee, a nurse at Oceola Regional Medical Center in Kissimmee, spoke about the kind of “moral distress” she’s experienced for the first time in her 36 years as a nurse. She said it’s due to a lack of proper personal protective equipment, disproportionate staffing and lack of communication from corporate entities.
“Florida is a hot mess,” Lee said. “They are staffing at unsafe levels. The staffing level has gotten so unsafe that nurses are leaving.”
In a COVID-19 unit at Lee’s hospital, there are only four full time nurses. The rest are travel nurses.>>
Few informed individuals would want want to risk having a medical emergency in Florida compared to most of northeast Ohio.
you are usually wrong with your so called information on 'climate change' and many other issues. You do you realize that Ohio (and NY) have a higher 14 day increase in new cases than Florida?
you are usually wrong with your so called information on 'climate change' and many other issues. You do you realize that Ohio (and NY) have a higher 14 day increase in new cases than Florida?
Show what percentage of my posts are wrong. Anybody can read through this forum for the last five years and see whose posts are more inaccurate.
Anybody following the COVID epidemic even casually would know that the situation in Florida currently is much more dire than in Ohio, but sadly, over the next many weeks I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio suffers an unnecessary surge due to the inadequate level of vaccinations and the near absence of masking, even in schools. Florida is setting state records for the entire pandemic.
<<COVID-19 hospitalizations surged past 15,000 in Florida on Tuesday with more than 3,000 people requiring intensive care, setting another record as pandemic-related patients continue to fill beds, according to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
The federal agency reported 15,169 inpatient beds in use for COVID-19 in Florida, representing about 27% of patients at the 231 hospitals that reported data....
Nearly 68% of hospitals surveyed on Monday are expecting a critical staffing shortage in the next seven days, said Savannah Kelly, a spokesperson for the hospital group.
“Hospitals across the nation, and in Florida, are contending with a workforce shortage that started prior to the pandemic and has been accelerated by it in the last year and a half,” she wrote in an email. “As hospitals are experiencing increased hospitalizations due to the delta variant, staffing is an acute challenge.”>>
IF DeWine didn't have to deal with Republican legislators and a Republican base indoctrinated in anti-science nonsense, he likely would impose mask mandates on all Ohio schools. Meanwhile, DeSantis seems determined to inflict a catastrophe on Florida's school children as he seems to lack even a basic understanding of the contagious and virulent nature of the Delta variant.
<<Just days before most Floridian kids head back to the classroom, a battle is brewing between an unyielding Governor Ron DeSantis and a growing number of defiant educators over the Republican governor's ban on mask mandates in schools.
Less than 24 hours after DeSantis threatened to withhold paychecks from school officials who flout his new law, educators and school board members across the state on Tuesday declared an intent to defy the July 31 executive order and keep stricter COVID-19 measures in place as kids return to school amid an alarming rise of cases in Florida.>>
As anti-science as Republicans are in Ohio, DeWine isn't the total fool that Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is proving to be in his total disregard to the health of Floridians, most especially children.
BTW, while Florida's governor, enabled by Republican state legislators and the Republican base, seems intent on creating a health disaster in Florida, inflicting thousands of Florida children with life-long, debilitating long COVID sequelae, and killing many, northeast Ohio school boards largely are attempting to implement policies, including mandatory masking, to protect children.
Unlike in Florida, Gov. DeWine seems supportive of these proactive school boards, and other Republican legislators (to my immediate knowledge) haven't attacked these proactive school boards.
Children are known vectors of viral infection, so exposing them to the Delta variant so brazenly, also risks increased infections among adults. Unvaccinated adults will be most at risk, but breakthrough infections among the vaccinated are a serious risk. Although vaccinations protect adults from hospitalization, resulting sequelae from even mild or perhaps asymptomatic COVID infections can be debilitating, and perhaps even permanently impact health.
<<Covid-19 infections have been shown to have detrimental effects on brain function, including cognitive deficits manifested as “brain fog,” seizures, depression, loss of sense of smell (anosmia), altered sense of taste (dysgeusia), hearing loss, and permanent neurologic deficits due to strokes. A pre-print study based at the University of Oxford and Imperial College, London, United Kingdom (UK) is the first to document evidence of brain changes in a large group of patients who underwent magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) brain scans both before and after Covid-19 infections, comparing them to a group of individuals’ scans with no history of Covid-19 infection....
Comparing the two groups of scans, those with history of Covid-19 infections had MRI scans showing loss of grey matter of specific parts of their brains compared to their scans prior to infection. Those with no history of Covid-19 infection demonstrated no changes. The grey matter of the brain contains the majority of the neuronal tissue and cells, and is responsible for processing signals generated in the sensory organs. The investigators found grey matter abnormalities in multiple parts of the the brains of Covid-19-recovered patients, including the olfactory (smell) and gustatory (taste) systems, as well as the area responsible for memory (parahippocampus) and the orbitofrontal cortex, also responsible for emotion and memory.>>
I think many people are going to be fleeing TO Florida and Texas to get away from COVID tyranny and vaccine mandates. Thanks Bid...er.. shadowy globalist overlords dictating our laws now.
Florida and Texas will have little water in the future due to over allocation, contamination, and other problems. Extreme heat events and droughts/floods will be the norm. Higher temperatures mean more evaporation, so floods will not really end drought cycles, but will cause a much much greater economic series of disasters that will become more extreme.
you are usually wrong with your so called information on 'climate change' and many other issues. You do you realize that Ohio (and NY) have a higher 14 day increase in new cases than Florida?
That's pretty disingenuous. 1 to 2 is a 100% change, 10 to 20 is also a 100% change. You are trying to argue that a larger percent change from a much lower total number is the same as a smaller percent change with a much higher total increase.
So let's look at the numbers.
July 28-August 9th (the most recent Florida case number release date) is 14 days. Daily cases increased by 76.6% from 16,038 to 28,317. Total daily increase was +12,279.
Total active cases in Florida increased from 255,339 to 481,177, an 88.4% increase or a total increase of 225,838 active cases.
In Ohio, the most recent 2-week period is July 29-August 10th. Daily cases went from 1,205 to 2,326, a 93.0% increase, but obviously the totals are nowhere near Florida's. Total daily increase was 1,121, almost 11x lower than Florida's and already starting from a much lower number.
Total active Ohio cases went from 14,935 to 28,493, a 90.8% increase. Total increase was +13,558, almost 17x lower than Florida's active case increase. In fact, Ohio has just 5.9% of the active cases that Florida has right now.
For reference, Florida only has like twice Ohio's population, so no, the larger population cannot explain the vast difference.
you are usually wrong with your so called information on 'climate change' and many other issues.
I've written hundreds of posts in the past year, scores just on climate change, most well substantiated. Please post links to just five of five my posts that you believe were wrong, and explain why they were wrong.
IMO, you're just another Big Lie propagandist who attempts to belittle other posters with false accusations and also posts frequently misleading if not deceitful comments, as exemplified in the last several posts.
That's pretty disingenuous. 1 to 2 is a 100% change, 10 to 20 is also a 100% change. You are trying to argue that a larger percent change from a much lower total number is the same as a smaller percent change with a much higher total increase.
So let's look at the numbers.
July 28-August 9th (the most recent Florida case number release date) is 14 days. Daily cases increased by 76.6% from 16,038 to 28,317. Total daily increase was +12,279.
Total active cases in Florida increased from 255,339 to 481,177, an 88.4% increase or a total increase of 225,838 active cases.
In Ohio, the most recent 2-week period is July 29-August 10th. Daily cases went from 1,205 to 2,326, a 93.0% increase, but obviously the totals are nowhere near Florida's. Total daily increase was 1,121, almost 11x lower than Florida's and already starting from a much lower number.
Total active Ohio cases went from 14,935 to 28,493, a 90.8% increase. Total increase was +13,558, almost 17x lower than Florida's active case increase. In fact, Ohio has just 5.9% of the active cases that Florida has right now.
For reference, Florida only has like twice Ohio's population, so no, the larger population cannot explain the vast difference.
But sure, Florida's doing better.
Sadly, Ohio's deficient public health measures, combined with the high level of contagiousness and virulence of the Delta variant, will create a much more significant surge in COVID cases and hospitalizations in coming weeks, especially as schools reopen and society moves back indoors as the weather cools.
<<The delta variant continues to spread throughout the country, and according to University Hospitals Dr. Amy Edwards, the COVID chaos happening down South is headed to the Buckeye State in a matter of weeks.
"We are only two or three weeks from things getting really bad here in Ohio," Edwards warned. "This one is bad. It's worse than the last ones, and now is the time to take it seriously.">>
Although Ohio is not as egregiously anti-science as Florida under DeSantis, DeWine's submissiveness to the Republican legislature and base has crippled Ohio's public health defenses compared to last year. E.g., DeWine signed the following bill and other bills that lower Ohio's defenses against any serious viral outbreak.
<<Amid a COVID-19 surge in Ohio’s most populous county, health officials wanted to once again require the use of face masks indoors to slow the spread of COVID-19.
health mandates among people not diagnosed with any disease.
Unlike July 2020, however, this time they hit a wall. State legislation that took effect earlier this summer forbids health departments from issuing blanket
So despite a 56% increase in the average daily case rate in the county, which officials attribute to the hyper-transmissible delta variant flooding the state with new cases, the health department says they can do little more than issue a “mask advisory” that’s not backed by any force of law.>>
Ohio's Republicans may not be as extremely anti-science as Floridian Republicans, but they clearly are kissing cousins.
Although Ohio is not as egregiously anti-science as Florida under DeSantis, DeWine's submissiveness to the Republican legislature and base has crippled Ohio's public health defenses compared to last year. E.g., DeWine signed the following bill and other bills that lower Ohio's defenses against any serious viral outbreak.
<<Amid a COVID-19 surge in Ohio’s most populous county, health officials wanted to once again require the use of face masks indoors to slow the spread of COVID-19.
health mandates among people not diagnosed with any disease.
Unlike July 2020, however, this time they hit a wall. State legislation that took effect earlier this summer forbids health departments from issuing blanket
So despite a 56% increase in the average daily case rate in the county, which officials attribute to the hyper-transmissible delta variant flooding the state with new cases, the health department says they can do little more than issue a “mask advisory” that’s not backed by any force of law.>>
Ohio's Republicans may not be as extremely anti-science as Floridian Republicans, but they clearly are kissing cousins.
This link containing the quoted material at the end of post 48 was omitted:
Over on the Chicago forum, many are chalking up their city’s first population growth in decades as the first sign of a reverse migration away from super hot areas that will only get worse with climate change.
I think the power outages and virus resurgence this year woke up a certain amount of people down south that year-round summer may not be worth it if the rest of your day-to-day life can go to crap at any time because of gunslinging politicians who value the theory of extreme individualism over the implications of its (non)practicality in real life.
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