Which of the three C's do you think will be the most dominant power in all of Ohio by 2050? (Columbus: crime, houses)

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by unusualfire

^I wouldn't being a NFL team Cincy either. It's too small for 2 NFL teams.

You do realize a group tried to team up and bring the Clippers to town the past couple of months right?

Thanks for the correction. Great news about the Clippers potential to go to CIN. How did it work out and who is the ''group''? CIN would get its new arena then as well.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Thanks for the correction. Great news about the Clippers potential to go to CIN. How did it work out and who is the ''group''? CIN would get its new arena then as well.

Hmmm...having just read up on this topic it appears that it's more a ''a city can dream, can't it'' idea. No mention of a ''group'' just lots of stories of how the Cincinnati Clippers has a nice ring to it and, of course, the instant rivalry with the CLE Cavs. The US Bank Arena put the kabosh to this idea as well and there's mention of who the owners would be that would move the team to CIN; again, no mention of a ''group'' trying to make a move. Maybe if there was a new arena waiting for a team, the odds would be better. Seattle would be the place to go or Kansas City, a place waiting to have a team use its new arena.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by Kamms

Never said CIN should prioritize an arena or a team for it. CLE is still a dominant regional force and, despite a decline, still supports 3 teams like PIT. Team owners know where to expand and, currently, CIN isn't a place where anyone wants to bring in either an NBA or NHL team. If CIN could support one, there would be one there so, no, CIN probably cannot support one currently. CIN has not been a hot-bed of growth either since the Royals left in 1972.

CLE is not dead nor should it be written-off; I haven't been optimistic about CLE's future, but having spent 2 weeks there in June, I am very optimistic about its future now. CIN's is experiencing positive growth now, which is good for the State of Ohio. Ohio is currently a top-10 state but I wonder for how long?

There is nothing to suggest Ohio will fall out of the top 10 anytime in the next few decades, if not longer, and if it ever did, it would require certain circumstances which aren't really true.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

There is nothing to suggest Ohio will fall out of the top 10 anytime in the next few decades, if not longer, and if it ever did, it would require certain circumstances which aren't really true.

Well NJ's out of the top 10 and Michigan will be #10 by 2020; OH will be #10 therafter. Of course, this is based on today's population trends; though anything can happen from now until then.

[chet_kinkaid]

Cincy is the 3rd media market in ohio and is losing ground to Columbus every year due to the difference in population gains,by 2050,columbus will be the largest msa in ohio,but probably won't pass the northeast ohio Csa,but columbus will probably have the best demographics economically.Thats not to say all 3 cities won't be attractive major metro areas ,Columbus may never surpass the legacy institutions that Cleveland ie the orchestra, has,or even cincy.But will have great things the other cities don't.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by chet_kinkaid

Cincy is the 3rd media market in ohio and is losing ground to Columbus every year due to the difference in population gains,by 2050,columbus will be the largest msa in ohio,but probably won't pass the northeast ohio Csa,but columbus will probably have the best demographics economically.Thats not to say all 3 cities won't be attractive major metro areas ,Columbus may never surpass the legacy institutions that Cleveland ie the orchestra, has,or even cincy.But will have great things the other cities don't.

2050 is a long way off; too speculative to state which Ohio city will be in the lead, anything can happen. CLE, with it's port, infrastructure, institutions etc can very well rise again. I think it's finally seeing a true rebirth.

That said, towns like Columbus and Indy don't have the post-industrial baggage cities like Cleveland, and to some extent Cincinnati, have to deal with.

[jbcmh81]

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Originally Posted by Kamms

Well NJ's out of the top 10 and Michigan will be #10 by
2020; OH will be #10 therafter. Of course, this is based on today's population
trends; though anything can happen from now until then.

No. Even using current growth rates, the only states on track to pass Ohio are North Carolina and Georgia. Using the 2012-2013 growth rate, compounded every year into the future, NC wouldn't pass up Ohio until 2032. Georgia not until 2037. So at minimum, 18 years, and that assumes that Ohio will continue to grow slowly and that the other two will grow at least as fast as they have been. That is no guarantee. Georgia, for example, recently started having a net domestic migration loss and both states are seeing declining overall growth rates. And even if those two states passed Ohio, there is no other state growing fast enough to pass Ohio before 2050, so it would, at worst, still be in 9th place in 2050. One other thing to note is that Ohio has had been underestimated for population growth in recent decades.

Ohio is in no danger of falling out of the top 10 in the next 50 years at least.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by chet_kinkaid

Cincy is the 3rd media market in ohio and is losing ground to Columbus every year due to the difference in population gains,by 2050,columbus will be the largest msa in ohio,but probably won't pass the northeast ohio Csa,but columbus will probably have the best demographics economically.Thats not to say all 3 cities won't be attractive major metro areas ,Columbus may never surpass the legacy institutions that Cleveland ie the orchestra, has,or even cincy.But will have great things the other cities don't.

If Columbus continues to grow as it is now, it's only a matter of time before it reaches or surpasses the cultural institutions found in the other 2-Cs. More people means more demand for such amenities, and in general, more money to spend on them. However, it might not get the *same* amenities. I don't think, for example, that demand for a world-class orchestra is quite the same now as it was 50 years ago. Even the US' largest cities struggle to support them today. As to what Columbus might gain otherwise, I don't know.

[Kamms]

[quote=jbcmh81;35873971]

No. Even using current growth rates, the only states on track to pass Ohio are North Carolina and Georgia. Using the 2012-2013 growth rate, compounded every year into the future, NC wouldn't pass up Ohio until 2032. Georgia not until 2037. So at minimum, 18 years, and that assumes that Ohio will continue to grow slowly and that the other two will grow at least as fast as they have been. That is no guarantee. Georgia, for example, recently started having a net domestic migration loss and both states are seeing declining overall growth rates. And even if those two states passed Ohio, there is no other state growing fast enough to pass Ohio before 2050, so it would, at worst, still be in 9th place in 2050. One other thing to note is that Ohio has had been underestimated for population growth in recent decades.

Ohio is in no danger of falling out of the top 10 in the next 50 years at least.

One thing I know is not to be so assured of anything let alone what's going to happen in 50 years. Let's hope OH remains a top 10 state. Would love for it to really pick-up population growth in the near future.

[Kamms]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

If Columbus continues to grow as it is now, it's only a matter of time before it reaches or surpasses the cultural institutions found in the other 2-Cs. More people means more demand for such amenities, and in general, more money to spend on them. However, it might not get the *same* amenities. I don't think, for example, that demand for a world-class orchestra is quite the same now as it was 50 years ago. Even the US' largest cities struggle to support them today. As to what Columbus might gain otherwise, I don't know.

Confusing and vague post.