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Old 12-11-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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If I am not mistaken Pym was the most famous Yellowjacket, but he wasn't the only one. Rita DeMara was Yellowjacket with the same powers minus the rage which was a throwaway nod to the Pym Yellowjacket. The stakes were not really world threatening in the movie, just a bad guy weapons designer trying to sell a suit. Not the most original but it was better that the random twist in Wonder Woman.
What "random twist"? Ares' disguise? His human form was perfect. The proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. What I would have changed is the actor for Ares. I would have used somebody different, i.e. younger and more imposing. A middle-aged mustached Brit didn't work as a Greek god. I think we all agree on that.

 
Old 12-11-2017, 12:14 PM
 
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Darren Cross was YINO (Yellowjacket-In-Name-Only). He was a one-note knockoff who was tonally uneven and served to be the "bad guy" in the 1960s sense of the term.
I agree.

But he was still a better villain than Ares.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 12:39 PM
 
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I agree.

But he was still a better villain than Ares.
"I don't have a counterargument, but I'm stickin' to my guns!"
 
Old 12-11-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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"I don't have a counterargument, but I'm stickin' to my guns!"
My counter-argument is self-evident: Go watch WONDER WOMAN. Great as it was in many ways, the villain sucked. We needed Ares. We got Angry Butler.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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What "random twist"? Ares' disguise? His human form was perfect. The proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing. What I would have changed is the actor for Ares. I would have used somebody different, i.e. younger and more imposing. A middle-aged mustached Brit didn't work as a Greek god. I think we all agree on that.
It wasn't telegraph able. I love Disney films and think Meet the Robinsons. In it...
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Lewis Robinson's roommate in the orphanage Goob, talks with the protagonist after getting beat up. Bowler Hat Guy tells Go on "To let the anger he feels tester in him."

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Later Bowler Hat Guy reveals himself to actually be a grown up Goob trying to ruin Lewis future out of jealousy.


How this relates, Sir Patrick Morgan was all about armtisace and then is revealed to be Ares? No tease, no reason (well other than "Oh humans break treaties all the time) and it made no sense.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 12:54 PM
 
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My counter-argument is self-evident: Go watch WONDER WOMAN. Great as it was in many ways, the villain sucked. We needed Ares. We got Angry Butler.
I saw it in the theater. Ares is in the movie.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 01:56 PM
 
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I saw it in the theater. Ares is in the movie.
But the Ares that should have been in the movie was completely absent.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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But the Ares that should have been in the movie was completely absent.
He gets it. Dilly, Dilly.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 02:40 PM
 
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But the Ares that should have been in the movie was completely absent.
While a lot of George Pérez's reboot made it into the movie, so did Patty's ideas.
 
Old 12-11-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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He gets it. Dilly, Dilly.
Well, you hated the movie. You know, "ripped off The First Avenger" and all that.
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