02-24-2013, 11:03 PM
Location: Minnesota
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Biggest thing about having the Wolves is that good teams come to town to beat the Wolves (more often than not). So Twin Citians without any civic pride AND enthusiasm for the sport of basketball do get some value for their ticket money. Cheering a winner? Forget that. In fact, all our teams have high draft picks that get championship rings when traded to another team. Always been that way. Well, after the Lakers left town. The game was different back then.
02-27-2013, 04:25 PM
Location: Moved to Gladstone, MO in June 2022 and back to Minnesota in September 2022
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Yes, I love the Timberwolves and would deeply miss them if they ever left. I watch them on TV all the time along with the Wild, Twins, Vikings, and Lynx. I love all our teams, including the Lynx.
It has nothing to do with bragging rights, or making the Twin Cities more desirable because we have a team from each of the big 4 NFL NBA MLB and NHL.
I don't think teams should relocate just because they haven't been very good in a while. The Timberwolves were an expansion team from the late 80s along with the Heat, Magic, and Hornets, but yet no one ever suggests the Heat should relocate, even though Miami is a smaller market than MSP is.
Heat owner says team losing money:
If the Timberwolves were relevant like the Heat have been and won a few championships, no one would be bringing up relocation.
Yes the team isn't very good and hasn't been relevant in a long time. But I stay hopefuly and sHypothetically speaking, if we were in Seattle's position where the Thunder are now a championship contender just a few years after leaving Seattle, people will indeed miss the team.
And markets like Kansas City or Louisville or St. Louis aren't really any better. Sure if they were to get a team it would draw well for a while because it's new and shiny, but once the novelty wears off and if the team isn't very good, it will struggle just as bad in those markets as it does in MSP.
On a side note, Michael Heisley was/is someone who has been rumored in having interest in buying the Timberwolves from Glen Taylor, and he just had a stroke a few days ago. He used to own the Grizzlies and relocated them to Memphis from Vancouver. No offense to him, but if the rumors were true about him having interest in buying the Wolves, hopefully this throws a wrench in that plan, I don't want an owner who has a history of lying and saying hes committed to the market than ends up relocating the team shortly after.
Michael Heisley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He orchestrated the move of the team from Vancouver in 2001, after promising to keep the franchise in Vancouver when he purchased it in 2000.
No offense, but I really don't want him buying our Wolves.
That said, the Target Center is being renovated and I believe the Wolves lease is until 2025. So (hopefully) I'm just being overly paranoid for nothing. David Stern was at a Wolves game not too long ago at Target Center talking about the ongoing renovation, and was talking about how Glen Taylor is going to be selling the team and is going to make sure they stay in Minny. Hopefully...
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articl...rades/12856180
Stern, who's been involved in the early discussions of the sale, said that he's urged Taylor to plan "the orderly succession of the team," but he knows Taylor, 71, doesn't want to sell it tomorrow. "Eventually it will happen," Stern said. "Glen is not what you would call an anxious seller. Sometimes I think he may have seller's remorse even though he hasn't sold it, because he loves the team." "He wants it to stay here, and all discussions about sale revolve around finding the person or persons who will commit to keeping it a first-class franchise in the Twin Cities."
Lets hope all this dramatic stuff about seller's remorse and wanting the team to stay here is true, because I have seen way too many markets get screwed out of their teams.
Yeah, I'm a huge TWolves fan if you can't tell...
03-03-2013, 02:07 PM
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The upside to another losing season? You can currently purchase lower level seats to Wednesday's Wizards game for the kingly sum of $1.40. Center court for $19.
03-04-2013, 11:35 PM
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03-05-2013, 07:24 AM
Location: Sioux Falls, SD area
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This would be the best thing to happen to the franchise. A REAL basketball mind in charge who's connected to the region.
03-05-2013, 08:10 AM
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I don't care how bad this team is. If you can take your kid to watch the highest level of professional basketball for less than a movie ticket, that's worth something.
Do the Timberwolves qualify as the "highest level of professional basketball?"
03-05-2013, 09:46 AM
Location: MN
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Do the Timberwolves qualify as the "highest level of professional basketball?"
Yes they do!!
This always frustrates me. Just like people who dogg the Twins. Ya, not every team can win every game, but you need to realize that it's the best of the best. There are 15 players on each NBA roster and 30 teams.. thats 450 top-end professional basketball players in the NBA. The best of best. Like last night - the Wolves drew a great crowd and it was fun to go watch LeBron James and Dwayne Wade, two world-class basketball players... Not to mention Ricky Rubio who has been on successful Olympic teams with Spain.
So to answer your question, even if their W/L record is crappy, it's still professional basketball at it's highest level. If you're not a fan, don't go.
03-05-2013, 07:51 PM
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This would be the best thing to happen to the franchise. A REAL basketball mind in charge who's connected to the region.
As a Wolves fan, I agree 100%. I hope this ends up coming to fruition. Definitely glad it's someone who is connected to the area, and I am glad Glen Taylor wants to sell to someone committed to the area, unlike Howard Schultz when he sold the Seattle Supersonics to Clay Bennett who obviously from the start had every intention of relocating the team to OKC from Seattle.
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Yes they do!!
Again, I agree 100%. The worst of the best(in this case the NBA) is still among the best in the world. And one thing that irks me is people act like EVERYONE on the team is bad just because the team has been struggling and is not doing well. There is no way Kevin Love or Rubio are among the worst in the NBA. Nor is Rick Adelman one of the worst coaches in the NBA. Not even close.
03-06-2013, 06:17 PM
Location: East St. Paul 651 forever (or North St. Paul) .
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Personally I LOVE the fact - as an athlete - that we have all four major sports. Personally, If I had to choose one to leave, it would be the Queens as there is only 8 home games, and you can't really get tix for them anyways. Forget the Vikes.
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Wolves are averaging 16,500!
Very true.
But here's the reality: they aren't going to move as I believe a $100M upgrade was approved (correct me if I'm wrong) to the Target Center and Glen Taylor is native Minnesotan and he been on record saying he wants them to stay here.
But the real tragedy: we've been decimated this year in injuries to basically three of our starting five, not to mention Rubio coming back from a horrible injury,
It's just the Minnesota pro sports injury bug way; we're used to it. Personally the Wolves were terrorized by injuries more from my perspective than any of our other teams and it's made me very sad as I had high expectations for them this year.
03-07-2013, 10:54 AM
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Personally I LOVE the fact - as an athlete - that we have all four major sports. Personally, If I had to choose one to leave, it would be the Queens as there is only 8 home games, and you can't really get tix for them anyways. Forget the Vikes.
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Yeah I'm confident the Wolves aren't going anywhere anytime soon.
Glen Taylor does want to sell the team though. And I think that would be good. Get a new refreshed ownership that is excited about winning and growth.
I think the Wolve's misery can be blamed solely on David Kahn, the GM. He's made some very poor moves, albeit some of his moves have been pretty darn good (Love & Rubio). He's failed too many drafts (Johnny Flynn) and hasn't gotten quality free agents to sign here. There's one little aspect that's out of his control - Injuries. Sure the Brandon Roy signing was a leap of faith and was pretty stupid, but you can't help with your 2 superstars get hurt- Kevin Love's hand and Rubio's ACL. Free Agents like Kirilinko and Barea and Budinger are huge blows the team.
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People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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