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Old 11-06-2023, 10:42 AM
 
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No. And as the person making the accusation, the burden of proof lies with you, not me.

Also didn’t you say you were done with this thread?
Dude this is an internet real estate forum, not a court of law, there is no burden of proof.

So are we starting from the position where none of those things are true in your view? Because there's really not any point in discussing things further if we have two entirely different sets of facts.
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Old 11-06-2023, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Union County
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Oh stop with the "both parties" nonsense. Yes, the GOP is entirely dysfunctional. A clown show, filled with idiots and the occasional bright bulb that joined #MAGA. I'd vote to clear out most of them if it didn't mean handing the reigns of power to the Democrats. If we still had a functioning system. As it is, Santos is nothing more than a bit of gum stuck in the leaking dyke, preventing Biden's puppeteers from advancing their radical left agenda.

See, that's the thing. The Democrats may have some reasonable policies - in fact, until relatively recently, I was one of them. And then the mask slipped off and we realized they were only reasonable because they didn't have the power they needed to advance their true agenda. In case you weren't keeping score, that's the agenda of neoliberalism: open borders, Soros DAs, globalism, eco-terrorism, and somehow, married with the worst part of the right, endless foreign wars to waste away our lives and treasure.

I've said this before, but the Democrats are a damaged brand. I couldn't care less about culture war issues like abortion or gay marriage, even if I'm on their side with that. They stink like rotten meat. I know that along with that "right to choose" and possibly-maybe a better healthcare system, I get anti-white racism, tranny story hour, and mandated ineffective "vaccines".

Quite sure there were some people who voted for the Nazis because they embraced socialized health care. But you got world war and genocide as a package deal. No thanks.
It's funny, you continue to parrot all the gaslighting right talking points, make points explaining why it's both parties, yet start the whole rant with "Oh please stop with the both parties nonsense".

You have been so conditioned to fear "the radical left agenda" that you will happily turn all the power over to a conservative party ruled by conspiracy theory radicals and zealots - and you'll kid yourself that they aren't neoliberals themselves, crazy... So, while you sit wringing your hands and rocking in your seat with fear of "Soros DAs" and "eco-terrorism", you will let the likes of Mike Johnson refer us all to the bible for his entire agenda... you're trading what you have been told to fear about the Dems for radicals and zealots who have no clue how a functioning government should work... evangelists are the worst kind of radicals when placed into positions of power in our government and you'll hand them the keys.

I have never once in all my postings have supported a party... you put some thought into what you post and hopefully you ignore the laziest who quote you with "well said" - those sheep are my biggest concern for the country to be honest... because they don't think for themselves at all - any small sliver of negativity towards the GOP party and you're labeled a "leftist"... the country needs BALANCE, not what you preach here and misremember what administration and party gave us things like "mandated ineffective vaccines"... when you give them all the power back, what crazy thing will they shove down our throats again? You need to stop excusing all the bad decisions, all the bad things as OK because of "the radical left agenda" or how things are "rigged"... you've made to believe something was taken from you, you are a victim... it doesn't even matter what you're a victim of.

You talk about Nazis, I worry more about fascists... which party is closer to fascism, the "radical left" or Trump's party? Not sure you could answer that honestly.
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Old 11-06-2023, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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It's funny, you continue to parrot all the gaslighting right talking points, make points explaining why it's both parties, yet start the whole rant with "Oh please stop with the both parties nonsense".

You have been so conditioned to fear "the radical left agenda" that you will happily turn all the power over to a conservative party ruled by conspiracy theory radicals and zealots - and you'll kid yourself that they aren't neoliberals themselves, crazy... So, while you sit wringing your hands and rocking in your seat with fear of "Soros DAs" and "eco-terrorism", you will let the likes of Mike Johnson refer us all to the bible for his entire agenda... you're trading what you have been told to fear about the Dems for radicals and zealots who have no clue how a functioning government should work... evangelists are the worst kind of radicals when placed into positions of power in our government and you'll hand them the keys.

I have never once in all my postings have supported a party... you put some thought into what you post and hopefully you ignore the laziest who quote you with "well said" - those sheep are my biggest concern for the country to be honest... because they don't think for themselves at all - any small sliver of negativity towards the GOP party and you're labeled a "leftist"... the country needs BALANCE, not what you preach here and misremember what administration and party gave us things like "mandated ineffective vaccines"... when you give them all the power back, what crazy thing will they shove down our throats again? You need to stop excusing all the bad decisions, all the bad things as OK because of "the radical left agenda" or how things are "rigged"... you've made to believe something was taken from you, you are a victim... it doesn't even matter what you're a victim of.

You talk about Nazis, I worry more about fascists... which party is closer to fascism, the "radical left" or Trump's party? Not sure you could answer that honestly.
Mike Johnson hasn't even been speaker for 3 weeks and you are already accusing him of ruling from the "Bible", once again your mask is slipping Mikey, you preach balance yet there is none in your typical unhinged ramblings its beyond obvious what you are (just admit it already) but you continue to pretend you are some sort of centrist. Once again you accuse the GOP of being full of the worst kind of "radicals" and "zealots" yet absolutely no mention on how far to the left the democratic party has swung or the unhinged members of the "squad" who's marxist/socialist philosophy has become the party's mainstream. Then you bash evangelical christians when the far left has become a religion of zealots all their own complete with "holy" sacraments, like "right to choose" "trans agenda" "open borders" etc. Anyone who leans left that disagrees with any of these few examples (and there are many many more) are instantly "apostate" (even if they lean left on virtually everything else) for breaking the orthodox, called racist/phobic etc and cancelled. I submit that AOC is every every bit the religious zealot as the most radical evangelical christian, they simply just worship different "gods".

And I seriously have to LMAO at the ridiculous "glimmer of negativity" of the GOP comment. You have to be kidding me. The GOP is the most feckless, cowardly, and stupid political party in existence. I wish they has 1/10th of the fight the democrats have.
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Old 11-07-2023, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Union County
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Mike Johnson hasn't even been speaker for 3 weeks and you are already accusing him of ruling from the "Bible", once again your mask is slipping Mikey, you preach balance yet there is none in your typical unhinged ramblings its beyond obvious what you are (just admit it already) but you continue to pretend you are some sort of centrist. Once again you accuse the GOP of being full of the worst kind of "radicals" and "zealots" yet absolutely no mention on how far to the left the democratic party has swung or the unhinged members of the "squad" who's marxist/socialist philosophy has become the party's mainstream. Then you bash evangelical christians when the far left has become a religion of zealots all their own complete with "holy" sacraments, like "right to choose" "trans agenda" "open borders" etc. Anyone who leans left that disagrees with any of these few examples (and there are many many more) are instantly "apostate" (even if they lean left on virtually everything else) for breaking the orthodox, called racist/phobic etc and cancelled. I submit that AOC is every every bit the religious zealot as the most radical evangelical christian, they simply just worship different "gods".

And I seriously have to LMAO at the ridiculous "glimmer of negativity" of the GOP comment. You have to be kidding me. The GOP is the most feckless, cowardly, and stupid political party in existence. I wish they has 1/10th of the fight the democrats have.
Hey, at least you're finally arguing towards the middle which is where I have been the whole time.

I am using Mike Johnson's own words... HIS WORDS... I'd link a source, but it won't matter what I use because it will be disregarded by you as left leaning... so if you want to get informed on what he said when asked how he will approach any issue, look it up... he said, "‘Well, go pick up a Bible off your shelf and read it. That’s my worldview". This is fair game when he's using his own words to tell me how his speaker run will go, btw 3rd in line for POTUS... bringing in AOC as an example compared to that is ridiculous... the "squad" didn't just take over the entire House and insert a zealot... the radical right did. You are using false equivalency to try and make a point.

You continue to haplessly try to put words in my mouth and pretend that I am not a centrist when there has been nothing that I have said would give a reasonable person an idea that I support the radical left... I don't need to pile on to very obvious idiotic issues born by the radical left... your problem, like with many self proclaimed "conservatives" is you have to gaslight the entire conversation being triggered by the "trans agenda" and "open borders" and "eco-terrorism"... I can support marriage equality and gay rights without elementary schools telling little kids it's OK to "identify as a different gender"... or I can support a reasonable immigration policy for refugees without an "invasion at the border"... or I can use my eyes and see that there are serious issues with the earth's climate without ignoring it... cancel culture is the worst thing to happen on both sides - oh wait, there I go again, you probably believe that only the left cancels the right.

The radical left is just as bad as the radical right, but that's not the topic I was replying to... go back and look at what I was responding to... I will continue to contend that fear of the radical left manifesting itself into complete control to the GOP will be a very bad thing for this country... I notice that you never responded to either of my points about that... the last time the GOP has full control they gave us mandated vaccines, put all the pieces in place to overturn Roe v Wade, and made everyone believe the answer to immigration was building a wall... they spent like drunken sailors and didn't lock up Clinton when there was every reason to do so... the answer to all these things are <insert conspiracy theory>, that's it... the radical left released a virus, the election was rigged, the gumbint has been weaponized... never admitting it's just a simple answer that they are all things you say about the GOP.

It is not OK to just turn over full control back to them as a redux to 45... whatever happens in 2024 I hope that there is some balance.
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Old 11-07-2023, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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The radical left is just as bad as the radical right, but that's not the topic I was replying to... go back and look at what I was responding to... I will continue to contend that fear of the radical left manifesting itself into complete control to the GOP will be a very bad thing for this country... I notice that you never responded to either of my points about that... the last time the GOP has full control they gave us mandated vaccines, put all the pieces in place to overturn Roe v Wade, and made everyone believe the answer to immigration was building a wall... they spent like drunken sailors and didn't lock up Clinton when there was every reason to do so... the answer to all these things are <insert conspiracy theory>, that's it... the radical left released a virus, the election was rigged, the gumbint has been weaponized... never admitting it's just a simple answer that they are all things you say about the GOP.

It is not OK to just turn over full control back to them as a redux to 45... whatever happens in 2024 I hope that there is some balance.

Fair enough and I will be the first to roundly criticize Trump or the GOP for all of the above. Trump absolutely kicked off the vaccine push (then Biden put it overdrive). Many forget it was trump and the GOP that rubber stamped the first "free" money COVID checks which partially led to this inflation mess (and again Biden took that ball and ran with it as well). Personally I always thought the wall was pointless nonsense when the real issue was closing the asylum loopholes, making "asylum" seekers wait outside the country, and Getting Mexico to secure its much much smaller southern border would be the real "wall". I agree the wall became a dumb obsession which took attention off the real problems. Spending like drunken sailors? LOL 100% the GOP is every bit off the rails here as the democrats are if not more especially when it comes to the military. No conspiracy theory here all of the above is the fault of the stupid party. I don't know why you seem to think I believe the GOP is some benevolent infallible party, they are a joke. The problem is the democrats are even worse.
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Old 11-07-2023, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Union County
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Fair enough and I will be the first to roundly criticize Trump or the GOP for all of the above. Trump absolutely kicked off the vaccine push (then Biden put it overdrive). Many forget it was trump and the GOP that rubber stamped the first "free" money COVID checks which partially led to this inflation mess (and again Biden took that ball and ran with it as well). Personally I always thought the wall was pointless nonsense when the real issue was closing the asylum loopholes, making "asylum" seekers wait outside the country, and Getting Mexico to secure its much much smaller southern border would be the real "wall". I agree the wall became a dumb obsession which took attention off the real problems. Spending like drunken sailors? LOL 100% the GOP is every bit off the rails here as the democrats are if not more especially when it comes to the military. No conspiracy theory here all of the above is the fault of the stupid party. I don't know why you seem to think I believe the GOP is some benevolent infallible party, they are a joke. The problem is the democrats are even worse.
"The democrats are even worse"... are they, though? I find their bad sides to be about even from an ideological perspective... the worst of each side has a solid counter punch... this is fine and overlooked by the GOP as long as they tow the line with their vote, but blown out of proportion for whackos on the left... the "squad" is so scary, electing zombies like Biden and Fetterman doesn't make any sense to the die hard GOP supporter. Really?

Now, if you buy into the Soros puppeteers and baby eaters, I can see why you would think that the Dems are even worse... but, take away the radical ends of both parties... the Dems are clearly better at legislating and a functioning government... the GOP is awful at both... now you can argue that less government is better and I wouldn't argue much... but the neoliberals and the neocons are way too imbedded and in bed with special interests to actually do anything that makes sense... just like you point out, the GOP is all about balancing the budget and cutting spending while a Dem is POTUS, then it completely gets forgotten when the WH turns over... rinse and repeat... they don't have any cohesive policies, are splintered into many factions, and hang their entire existence on being "less bad" than the Dems... in the end, I find that is simply propaganda taken hold.

My greatest fear is authoritarian tendencies leading into 2024, which will be very scary with AI / ChatGPT... an example of what Cambridge Analytica did with the incels will look like a joke... especially when it comes to foreign state interference using the AI technologies... be careful what you wish for... I hope we are smarter as a country than expected.
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Old 11-14-2023, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Santos report incoming. Should be very interesting to see what happens here
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