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Old 09-22-2023, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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lol your opinion on this is shocking. SMH. Something like 9 countries in the world allow no excuse mail in voting. NINE.
I haven't seen a source on no excuse mail in voting for countries. With that said, there has been nothing to suggest or any evidence to show no excuse mail in voting leads to more fraud. That only comes out when the election doesn't go the way some people want it to who somehow don't complain about fraud in states where the election goes the way they want. The idea that it will lead to more fraud is nonsense and not based on any evidence. The idea that it will lead to more people actually voting is what scares people.
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Old 09-22-2023, 08:18 AM
 
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Your real vote is with your wallet. You either pack up and leave or shutup. I honestly can't see why people complain about voting in this country. It is all rigged but they can't stop you from leaving or refusing to pay certain things. I see so many people who complain about something they can't do anything about. Only losers just complain but does not take any action.
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Old 09-22-2023, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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I haven't seen a source on no excuse mail in voting for countries. With that said, there has been nothing to suggest or any evidence to show no excuse mail in voting leads to more fraud. That only comes out when the election doesn't go the way some people want it to who somehow don't complain about fraud in states where the election goes the way they want. The idea that it will lead to more fraud is nonsense and not based on any evidence. The idea that it will lead to more people actually voting is what scares people.
nine other countries offer no-excuse mail-in voting: Canada, Germany, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, S. Korea, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

You want the source? google is your friend. Also more people should not be voting ELIGIBLE voters should be voting. As others have said you need ID for pretty much everything there is except voting for our government which on its face is insane. The vast VAST majority of countries require an ID to vote including almost all of liberal Europe, Canada and Mexico. There is no real logical argument against it except people like you want as many non eligible people voting as possible because deep down you know who it benefits.

Also your party’s great senator bob Mendez was indicted yet again for bribery. You gonna melt down like over santos and demand his resignation too? Or is it a-ok because he’s a democrat and should get his day in court first.

https://apple.news/AL89YifbOQNqpp2FO_f1U5g

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Old 09-22-2023, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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nine other countries offer no-excuse mail-in voting: Canada, Germany, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Poland, S. Korea, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom.

You want the source? google is your friend. Also more people should not be voting ELIGIBLE voters should be voting. As others have said you need ID for pretty much everything there is except voting for our government which on its face is insane. There is no real logical argument against it except people like you want as many non eligible people voting as possible because deep down you know who it benefits.

Also your party’s great senator bob Mendez was indicted yet again for bribery. You gonna melt down like over santos and demand his resignation too? Or is it a-ok because he’s a democrat and should get his day in court first.

https://apple.news/AL89YifbOQNqpp2FO_f1U5g
First off, both Santos and Menendez should resign. I happen to care more about Santos because I live in the district and he is my Congressman, Menendez is not my Senator, but yes, they both should resign

Secondly, so basically we have confirmed that a handful of first world countries also allow no excuse mail in voting. I see no reason why the U.S can't do it as well, and there has been no actual evidence that expanding mail in voting and having no excuse mail in voting leads to more fraud. In fact the only recent evidence based case of mail in fraud was the traditional excuse absentee voting in a North Carolina Congressional district 5 years ago. It is only made out to be an issue (with no evidence) when the election doesn't go the way some people want it. It's not an issue in Utah and Alaska... It wasn't an issue over a decade ago when it was expanded in Arizona, only suddenly became an issue there in recent elections when the state was no longer constantly going in one direction....
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Old 09-22-2023, 12:29 PM
 
Location: The Piedmont of North Carolina
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I haven't seen a source on no excuse mail in voting for countries. With that said, there has been nothing to suggest or any evidence to show no excuse mail in voting leads to more fraud. That only comes out when the election doesn't go the way some people want it to who somehow don't complain about fraud in states where the election goes the way they want. The idea that it will lead to more fraud is nonsense and not based on any evidence. The idea that it will lead to more people actually voting is what scares people.
"Absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud." - Jimmy Carter

There is NO integrity of a mail-in ballot. Especially when signatures don't have to match. You have no idea if the person assigned the ballot is the person who filled out the ballot. Voting in person is the only way to verify that the person filling out the ballot is the person that is legally supposed to be filling out the ballot. Our country is too important to engage in third-world election shenanigans.
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Old 09-22-2023, 12:41 PM
 
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Hot midwit takes in this thread. NO EVIDENCE lmao here ya go:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-fraud-scheme/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ction-ballots/
https://www.westernjournal.com/hundr...fd724432738326
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...e-else-seeing/
https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/01/p...ehouse-report/
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/p...article/578671
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/...pts-elections/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...-omar-n2577042
https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/24/t...lection-fraud/
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ca...cover-them-up/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...officials.html
https://nationalfile.com/democrats-f...raud-in-texas/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...sconsin-ditch/
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-they-can-vote
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-350000-dead/
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...unted/2193454/
https://thedonald.win/p/HEpzu3Up/300...es-in-mass-/c/
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/odd-fa...tion-in-study/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...epresentation/
https://admin.halturnerradioshow.com...e-all-democrat
https://sarahwestall.com/google-twit...nsider-claims/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...orgia-primary/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...y-face-charges
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https://hotair.com/headlines/archive...tion-underway/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/coming-coup
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ia-parking-lot
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...e-bill/26/text
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...y-win-due-mail
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-office-video/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...st/5699548002/
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdnc/pr...en-voter-fraud
https://summit.news/2020/09/01/pro-b...lection-night/
https://thenationalpulse.com/politic...ump-landslide/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...week-election/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ts-voter-fraud
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https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...allot-mistakes
https://files.catbox.moe/7q0m1n.mp4
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https://www.phillyvoice.com/voter-fr...ting-machines/
https://www.judicialwatch.org/tom-fi...ean-elections/
https://www.judicialwatch.org/tom-fi...ail-in-voting/
https://www.judicialwatch.org/tipshe...-painting-hrc/
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https://www.citizenfreepress.com/bre...oting-in-2020/
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https://www.foxnews.com/us/dead-cat-...on-application
https://fox8.com/news/mail-carrier-p...-affiliations/
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ay/5357523002/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07...mailbox-941412

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSOV4YBmGJQ
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...e-step-office/
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http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020...fraud-charges/
https://wbckfm.com/a-michigan-city-c...ering-ballots/
https://www.rt.com/usa/492579-trump-...-mail-ballots/
http://archive.is/CEcsN#selection-2885.0-3102.0
https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1274141945837899785
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...derage-voters/
https://eastcountytoday.net/judge-su...-constitution/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola.../#31a3316754ce
https://twitter.com/Spring_Harbinge/...532677126?s=20
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-mail-voting/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...llot-requests/
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fraud-...eir-knowledge/
https://www.teaparty.org/oregon-sec-...drunks-440411/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sou...mpression=true
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/05...utm_term=EMAIL
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/10...-gringo-153912
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-voter-fraud/
https://www.postandcourier.com/polit...f845d1c9b.html
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Old 09-22-2023, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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First off, both Santos and Menendez should resign. I happen to care more about Santos because I live in the district and he is my Congressman, Menendez is not my Senator, but yes, they both should resign

Secondly, so basically we have confirmed that a handful of first world countries also allow no excuse mail in voting. I see no reason why the U.S can't do it as well, and there has been no actual evidence that expanding mail in voting and having no excuse mail in voting leads to more fraud. In fact the only recent evidence based case of mail in fraud was the traditional excuse absentee voting in a North Carolina Congressional district 5 years ago. It is only made out to be an issue (with no evidence) when the election doesn't go the way some people want it. It's not an issue in Utah and Alaska... It wasn't an issue over a decade ago when it was expanded in Arizona, only suddenly became an issue there in recent elections when the state was no longer constantly going in one direction....
Yet you dodged any logical argument against voter ID because you frankly have none. Lol
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Old 09-22-2023, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Hot midwit takes in this thread. NO EVIDENCE lmao here ya go:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-fraud-scheme/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ction-ballots/
https://www.westernjournal.com/hundr...fd724432738326
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...e-else-seeing/
https://dailycaller.com/2020/10/01/p...ehouse-report/
http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/p...article/578671
https://www.projectveritas.com/news/...pts-elections/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...-omar-n2577042
https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/24/t...lection-fraud/
https://thewashingtonstandard.com/ca...cover-them-up/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...officials.html
https://nationalfile.com/democrats-f...raud-in-texas/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...sconsin-ditch/
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...-they-can-vote
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-350000-dead/
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local...unted/2193454/
https://thedonald.win/p/HEpzu3Up/300...es-in-mass-/c/
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/odd-fa...tion-in-study/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...epresentation/
https://admin.halturnerradioshow.com...e-all-democrat
https://sarahwestall.com/google-twit...nsider-claims/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...orgia-primary/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...y-face-charges
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...decide-normal/
https://hotair.com/headlines/archive...tion-underway/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...a-parking-lots
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/...s-full-report/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/coming-coup
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...ia-parking-lot
https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-...e-bill/26/text
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...y-win-due-mail
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-office-video/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...st/5699548002/
https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdnc/pr...en-voter-fraud
https://summit.news/2020/09/01/pro-b...lection-night/
https://thenationalpulse.com/politic...ump-landslide/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...week-election/
https://trendingpolitics.com/iowa-ju...urce=economics
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ts-voter-fraud
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/politi...n-ballots/amp/
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...n-with-drivers
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/bre...il-in-ballots/
https://www.boston.com/news/local-ne...allot-mistakes
https://files.catbox.moe/7q0m1n.mp4
Opinion -The CIA Democrats in the 2020 elections
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...pt-make-right/
https://youtu.be/S9EkC_jZMMw
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/st...95031765274624
https://www.motherjones.com/politics...ting-machines/
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-warns-e...201019233.html
https://www.judicialwatch.org/in-the...votes-3-times/
https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/usp...-voting-system
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ts-okay-claim/
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...otebymail.html
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https://www.phillyvoice.com/voter-fr...ting-machines/
https://www.judicialwatch.org/tom-fi...ean-elections/
https://www.judicialwatch.org/tom-fi...ail-in-voting/
https://www.judicialwatch.org/tipshe...-painting-hrc/
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https://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...ay/5357523002/
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/07...mailbox-941412

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSOV4YBmGJQ
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http://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2020...fraud-charges/
https://wbckfm.com/a-michigan-city-c...ering-ballots/
https://www.rt.com/usa/492579-trump-...-mail-ballots/
http://archive.is/CEcsN#selection-2885.0-3102.0
https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/1274141945837899785
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...derage-voters/
https://eastcountytoday.net/judge-su...-constitution/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/nichola.../#31a3316754ce
https://twitter.com/Spring_Harbinge/...532677126?s=20
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-mail-voting/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...llot-requests/
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fraud-...eir-knowledge/
https://www.teaparty.org/oregon-sec-...drunks-440411/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sou...mpression=true
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/05...utm_term=EMAIL
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/10...-gringo-153912
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...s-voter-fraud/
https://www.postandcourier.com/polit...f845d1c9b.html
lol! There is no evidence! CNN and the NYT told him so! It’s settled!
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Old 09-22-2023, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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lol! There is no evidence! CNN and the NYT told him so! It’s settled!
Ahh yes, lets go with a bunch of conspiracy sites, birther sites and others.

Looked through a handful of those, a bunch did not address any actual votes that counted. Others are issues which could have happened with or without mail in ballots What was it like 61 lost court cases about one crazy conspiracy after another with no evidence.

As far as voter ID, I would have little problem with voter ID if people didn't have to pay to get an ID, but that never seems to be part of the bills

Why don't those who are against mail in ballots complain about Utah or Alaska? Why didn't those who complain about mail ballots make Arizona an issue 30 years ago when the GOP Legislature expanded it or over a decade ago when the GOP Legislature passed more expansive no excuse absentee ballots? It couldn't possibly be because the way those states typically vote or did at the time could it? Why are those who for years and years voted absentee suddenly have an issue when other people can do so as well?
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Old 09-22-2023, 01:51 PM
 
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Typical liberal, arguing in bad faith.

Q. There's no evidence.

A. Here's a mountain of it. (Here's another mountain: https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov...fraudcases.pdf)

Q. It's not all from my preferred sources so those are conspiracies.

So here's where we could go off on a tangent about how your preferred sources are establishment propaganda, and since the establishment benefits from loose voting laws, they're obviously not going to give you any reason to doubt the veracity of mail-in voting (or other methods which increase fraud). But you know what? Who cares. You're too far gone to convince anyway.

For the benefit of the non-posters still reading, here's a good discussion of how mail-in fraud is actually done, by someone who has done it:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/politi...il-in-ballots/

Part of it is mail-in ballots getting "lost" by friendly civil service employees, some of it is ballot harvesting (which is virtually impossible to detect until well after the election), etc. A smaller amount is in-person fraud like shuttling around people to vote multiple times, operatives paying people to show up to the polls, etc.

There are hundreds of thousands of "phantom voters" just in NYC, which the Board of Elections refuses to remove. I wonder why that could be?

https://nypost.com/2022/07/06/ny-off...-on-the-rolls/

Hint: It's because they use those names to cast fake votes. Remember this video?

https://youtu.be/jUDTcxIqqM0

Probably not. The (Democrat) New York City Commissioner of the Board of Elections, Alan Schulkin, was caught on camera a few years ago admitting that there's lots of voter fraud, that Democrats in the city bus people from site to site, that the city's municipal ID program is filled with fraud, and that even he doesn't know where thousands of the absentee ballots come from. Spoiler alert: he was fired soon after this video surfaced.

They're all just conspiracy theories, though, if it makes you sleep better at night.
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