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Yes If they are that close But vaccinated tend to spew virus material that is less effective at getting people hospitalized as well as less likely to be infected n the first place
Quick Commenter: Vaccinated folks may spew their 'potentially sickening breath' on others. Should they be mandated to mask? Indoors? Outdoors? Toddlers? N95? Double? Flu Season?
On the other hand, folks should be free to mask, double mask, glove, gown, face shield, to their hearts content.
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Yes If they are that close But vaccinated tend to spew virus material that is less effective at getting people hospitalized as well as less likely to be infected n the first place
LOL. The old 'mask up the unvaccinated' 'fire the unvaccinated' 'vax passports for the vaccinated' arguments have died with the widespread realization that the vaccinated routinely catch and spread Covid. Not to mention the waning (at varying intervals) of vaccine protection. And the shifting definition of 'fully vaccinated'
yup, if my kid has to sign up for selective service, you nitwits need to get a vax. Learn it, know it, live it or enjoy the vast freedumbs offered elsewhere. Public health didn't used to be a topic for the lowly ignorami who've taken it up in these forums. No one cares what any of you think about the efficacy of vaxes, masks, distancing or the sociopolitical tribulations of personal health freedom, employment or the myriad govt mandates we deal with every day. You'll eventually get an authoritarian who mandates you get them or one who mandates you don't. That's what we've become. An "I know you are but what am I" 3rd grade debate machine. Legit concern for health and welfare left this building months ago. It's all noise. Protect yourself and each other the way a rational person would...vax, mask, distance within reason, stay contained when unwell and don't read the news or social media and especially not LICD forum unless you want to get dumber by the word.
we limited it greatly as well as limited the damages , we cant stop it.
you should have seen what long island jewish looked like last year ….they had 2x the covid patients they were able to handle when we were there.
the wing for covid was 300 single rooms ….they were all doubled up as well as covid patients that were stored in the Er area until rooms were free .
many that should have been admitted were turned away and put on northwell in home care.
i was admitted but my wife was put on homecare ….a day later she was back and admitted when her o2 levels fell lower.
so yeah there is a big difference
Maybe, maybe not.
The idea that COVID was around in the US earlier than first thought is still being looked into, so it would take a while for the virus to work its' way into the right populations to do the most harm. But once that happened it burned through that population fast. So while masking, shut downs and social distancing may have helped they were not the lone, and possibly not the main reason for drops.
The other thing for better results is better treatments, that's gone a long way from the initial hospital hits.
If Long Island Jewish was doing that they may have f-up and actually done more harm than good. Hospitals were not ready for any pandemic even though they have been warned (if anyone ready publications from NIH) years back, but still State governments, insurance companies and hospital owners did the opposite for getting through one.
One estimate from the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene stated that in the first wave of a pandemic, 67% of intensive care unit (ICU) beds in the city hospitals would be filled with flu victims.9 However, on a daily basis in New York City (and the rest of the nation), there are rarely any unoccupied ICU beds. Where will the displaced ICU patients go? Some have suggested that additional or portable ICU beds be added to the system now. However, this solution would be both costly and impractical.
Nurses and doctors may be able to work extended shifts for a day or two, some ICU patients may be moved to other units, and some medical or surgical procedures could be postponed. But most cases that require ICU care, such as strokes and heart attacks, would not wait. We need to determine now how these everyday emergencies will be triaged, where they will go for treatment, and how to assure that the staff will come to work to care for them. A useful and practical protocol offering a real solution to the problems of providing care to all in the face of a pandemic is possible and must be planned for at the local level now.
One solution is to plan for influenza care to be given in the home setting. Some health professionals have suggested that during an influenza epidemic, care can be provided in public settings such as high school gymnasiums, churches, or convention centers. However, there is no level of care that can be provided in these settings that cannot be given in the home. Home care is delivered by a variety of organizations—nonprofit, corporate, and locally owned small proprietorships—that are not normally included in health-care emergency planning. Because much of the treatment in a flu epidemic will take place at home, efforts must be made ahead of time to include home-care agencies and other community resources, such as pharmacies and the Veterans Administration, in the plan. Home-care nurses' and managers' experience and guidance must be sought and included in the development of surge capacity in the community itself.
Placing large numbers of infected people in one congested setting, which will probably have inadequate facilities for personal hygiene and sanitation, could serve to promote its spread and provide marginal care at best. The ill would be more likely to receive better care at home, having food prepared for them by family members, use of their own lavatory, and a comfortable bed to convalesce in (rather than lying on a cot). Moving or collecting people in such centralized facilities is likely to spread the disease more readily than keeping them at home. Even for the approximately 29 million people in the U.S. who live alone (26% of all households), it would be preferable to remain at home, whether ill or quarantined, and receive support from visiting friends, family, home-care personnel, or a combination thereof.10
For home care to work, it will require the integration of home care into pandemic flu plans. A means of diagnosing and then providing treatment for those who develop life-threatening sequelae to a case of the flu must be established. This plan is an entirely new concept and the American health-care system will need some prodding for this plan to be accomplished.
To create the surge capacity necessary to care for people at home, public health department pandemic flu planning must be linked with input from organized home-care agencies and community-level volunteer organizations such as the Medical Reserve Corps. To date, these groups rarely have been included in influenza epidemic preparedness planning. During a large-scale epidemic, the job of public health will be challenging because it will be called upon to organize and direct the delivery of acute care in the community-based home-care setting on a monumental scale.
NIH 2018 Regarding Pediatric care but covers the state of hospital preparedness pretty well.
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When considering stuff it is important to remember under most circumstances that hospitals will retain only enough supplies for 3–5 days of normal operations. In the setting of a pandemic hospital operations may need to run at 100% to 200% above normal for a pandemic response (25). In the ICU this pace is likely to be sustained for weeks to months (26-29). Those items that require special attention are non-substitutable items such as ventilators and their circuits, N95 masks, and certain medications. In addition to local facility stockpiling with a 5–10 day supply of these items, dual sourcing of the same items should also be considered (30).
Norway just had an outbreak in a group of vaxed. Coworkers having a holiday party. But all had mild symptoms. Still who knows.
It was just a matter of time before a variant got ahead of a vax.
Personally I wouldn’t use a News article that uses another News article as a source, but would use the actual report the Guardian used.
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