100s Of GE Workers Walk Off The Job Over Vaccine Mandates; Main Stream Media Chooses To Cover A Dozen Workers Walk Off (Irving: broker, assess)

[ketchikanite]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

The unvaccinated are selfish and yes, preventing covid from disappearing and keeping the country from finally fully recovering, Yes, it is their fault, absolutely.

The vaccinated are the ones spreading the virus because they quit wearing their face diapers. And the country is fully recovering except for the states ruled by Covid tyrants.

[Don Cuccino]

Who cares. They are expendable. GE will hire new people to replace them. Now they have more time to watch Fox News and Alex Jones.

[Seguinite]

Originally Posted by OyCrumbler

That's not quite accurate--the vaccines do prevent you from getting COVID in terms of on average reducing the likelihood and severity, they just don't guarantee 100% protection. They also don't guarantee you can't transmit it, but they do reduce the likelihood so saying that you can spread it just *as well as* anyone else is also inaccurate.

Possibly the smartest thing would have been for there to be faster lockdowns, especially when they were more localized, but that didn't happen, so there was a kind of awkward stalling period where things were stuck on whether or not pandora's box could be closed. We, not just the US, but globally, sort of blew that though at least we have developed vaccines fairly rapidly which mitigate things.

Regardless, I don't think GE's going to hurt much from this, and it's a bit hard to understand why a walk-off in a plant in Ohio is on the Illinois forum. Aren't most of GE's jobs in Illinois more office and R&D with little in manufacturing in Illinois?

'On average', you weren't going to get it to begin with. I firmly believe that of the millions and millions of people that HAVE been vaccinated, millions of them would've never gotten it to begin with, vaccinated or not.

[roodd279]

millions of them would've never gotten it to begin with, vaccinated or not.

You are 100% right about that - but you're also (maybe) wrong about your conclusion - that the vaccine is wasted.


The vaccine is NOT to prevent you - personally - at the one-person level - from getting COVID. Nope. It's to (help) stop the spread to larger simultaneous groups of people. That's it. If - of the 100M getting the vaccine - only 5M would have got COVID anyway - that's great if they're widely dispersed, and a total disaster if they're all in NYC.



You were unlikely to get COVID in the first place - but, however UNlikely that is - it's already killed millions of people, we're just trying to slow it down, so as not to overwhelm any local health care system. Anywhere. On the planet.

[MSchemist80]

Originally Posted by roodd279

millions of them would've never gotten it to begin with, vaccinated or not.

You are 100% right about that - but you're also (maybe) wrong about your conclusion - that the vaccine is wasted.


The vaccine is NOT to prevent you - personally - at the one-person level - from getting COVID. Nope. It's to (help) stop the spread to larger simultaneous groups of people. That's it. If - of the 100M getting the vaccine - only 5M would have got COVID anyway - that's great if they're widely dispersed, and a total disaster if they're all in NYC.



You were unlikely to get COVID in the first place - but, however UNlikely that is - it's already killed millions of people, we're just trying to slow it down, so as not to overwhelm any local health care system. Anywhere. On the planet.

The delta variant is so transmissible that everyone is going to get it. Those who are vaccinated are far far less likely to get symptomatic Covid and exceptionally less likely to get severe or fatal covid.

The vaccine is not really experimental. It was developed based on other similar vaccines used for other viruses they just replaced that viruses nucleic acid fragment with one from Covid. The vaccine exposes your body to a single protein from the virus. You are exposed to pathogens and their proteins all day long and your immune system is always on the lookout and developing new or building up old antibodies for them. The vaccinated person then has antibodies developed for the covid spike protein and those antibodies are ready to go if they get exposed to the full virus.

As for safety, hundreds of millions of people around the world wide have taken it and aside from some very rare cases of allergic reaction and some temporary flu like symptoms noone has had children born with flippers that are trying to take over Gotham or are developing gills.

On the other hand many people that recover from Covid are getting long term permanent damage including lung damage and it is even reported vascular damage is affecting male "performance" shall we say.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2021...men-with-covid

[Sunbiz1]

Originally Posted by MSchemist80

The delta variant is so transmissible that everyone is going to get it. Those who are vaccinated are far far less likely to get symptomatic

That's on them, the vaccines do nothing to reduce transmission rates.
A restaurant full of vaccinated patrons are just as contagious as the unvaccinated.

[Justabystander]

Originally Posted by Sunbiz1

That's on them, the vaccines do nothing to reduce transmission rates.
A restaurant full of vaccinated patrons are just as contagious as the unvaccinated.

Where are you getting your information? If people were not vaccinaged, covid would be raging like it had been before vaccinations were available, and everything would be shut down. The misinformation here is incredible.

[Sunbiz1]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

Where are you getting your information? If people were not vaccinaged, covid would be raging like it had been before vaccinations were available, and everything would be shut down. The misinformation here is incredible.

Where are you?, I've seen no medical articles stating vaccination reduces your rate of transmission; only your symptoms. Why do you think vaccinated Matt Nagy is now on NFL protocol?.
If he were not capable of transmitting, there would be no reason to isolate athletic players or coaches from the rest of the team; who are also vaccinated.

[fusillirob1983]

Originally Posted by Sunbiz1

Where are you?, I've seen no medical articles stating vaccination reduces your rate of transmission; only your symptoms. Why do you think vaccinated Matt Nagy is now on NFL protocol?.
If he were not capable of transmitting, there would be no reason to isolate athletic players or coaches from the rest of the team; who are also vaccinated.

The vaccine is still pretty effective against delta, but less so than against alpha or prior variants. You'll have a peak viral load (period of highest transmissibility) for a shorter period of time, maybe a day or two rather than 5-7 days, if vaccinated compared to unvaccinated. At no point has anyone ever claimed these vaccines are 100% effective.

[Caglee]

Originally Posted by Justabystander

The misinformation here is incredible.

"Everything I disagree with is misinformation."