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Old 05-22-2021, 07:48 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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This popped up last night.


21 vaccinated residents test positive for COVID at Spokane retirement community

SPOKANE, Wash. — It’s back into quarantine for people at Spokane retirement community. 21 residents at Riverview Retirement Community in Spokane have tested positive for COVID and the facility claims all of them are vaccinated. This would be considered a breakthrough case.
The Washington Department of Health has recorded 1,311 breakthrough cases since January 2021. Along with the 21 residents testing positive, five staff members did, too. No one has died, indicating that the vaccine is doing what it’s supposed to.


Also the 5 or 7 NY Yankees and Bill Mahur who were fully vaxed and have now tested positive.

This is the way it was designed to work.


Banjo; so you won't be able to visit me until you are tested. But I appreciate it, bring pizza.

Justaby; They are all idiots sucking off the government teat, but every once and a while (like Dr. Paul on this occasion) a little nugget truth can change things.

Last edited by the hudge; 05-22-2021 at 08:12 AM..

 
Old 05-22-2021, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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They don't, that was my point (however convoluted) from the beginning. It's not a true vaccination. It does not stop you, with the exception of the J&J, from getting or spreading Covid-19. It only stops you from manifesting the symptoms.


Good for you if that's what you want, good for me if that's what I want. Or not.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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I think these last few posts pretty much answer the original question that started this thread.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 10:09 AM
 
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Hey Banjo. The Spanish Flu was started in the US. Indiana, Iowa? I was caused by a VACCINE given to US solders before going to war. Look it up. I did not believe it until I did.

Also, the total accidental deaths per year in the US is just about the same as it has been for the last ten years.

While the official stats for Covid deaths are way up; Flu, heart disease and many others were way down, some as much as 80%. Seems to me that there was not much of a pandemic just another flu strain with lots of help from twisted statistics, bought and paid for Dr's and politians.
I can't find any info on this claim of a vaccine starting the Spanish flu. I'm not aware of any flu vaccines in existence at that time. So I am not buying your above claim, hudge, but if you can provide a source, I'll surely look at it.

BTW... what do accidental deaths have to do with it??? LOL

I'm not taking any of the stats without checking their sources and accuracy, as there are indeed some agendas in all of this. The CDC stats pages do appear to be an 'honest broker' in this matter. But the overall mortality rate from COVID indeed works out to be around 2.5 times higher versus the past 10 years' average rate for regular influenza. (Approx. 0.3% for COVID versus 0.13% for regular flu.) This '2.5 higher mortality rate than regular flu' number has been very consistent once we got past the initial surge last spring. (It is impossible for me to say if the rate in that initial surge was really higher, or if it was just that the case detection rate was much lower at the start.)

And unlike the regular flu, it did not disappear last summer but kept on rolling at a reduced level. So IMHO it is not true to think that this is like normal flu. How bad anyone thinks is a 2.5 times mortality rate and 'all year long' infections.... I won't try to answer that. Characterization of that matter is part of the controversy.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 10:32 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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This popped up last night.


21 vaccinated residents test positive for COVID at Spokane retirement community

SPOKANE, Wash. — It’s back into quarantine for people at Spokane retirement community. 21 residents at Riverview Retirement Community in Spokane have tested positive for COVID and the facility claims all of them are vaccinated. This would be considered a breakthrough case.
The Washington Department of Health has recorded 1,311 breakthrough cases since January 2021. Along with the 21 residents testing positive, five staff members did, too. No one has died, indicating that the vaccine is doing what it’s supposed to.


Also the 5 or 7 NY Yankees and Bill Mahur who were fully vaxed and have now tested positive.

This is the way it was designed to work.


Banjo; so you won't be able to visit me until you are tested. But I appreciate it, bring pizza.

Justaby; They are all idiots sucking off the government teat, but every once and a while (like Dr. Paul on this occasion) a little nugget truth can change things.
I have my vaccine ID, but I'll get a test. No biggie.

I find it hard to believe there was a vaccine for the Spanish Flu before the flu was even known.
It's the other way around always; the disease comes first, then the vaccine.

By 1918, the epidemic had been laying down thousands in the trenches for months, so I very strongly doubt it was brought to Europe by an American war ship. And there was no vaccine made in 1918.

If a vaccine existed it would have altered the course of the war drastically, and would be mentioned in history today. And a vaccine would have saved my father's big brother's life.

I'm calling BS on the story's validity, but it's still good story, bro.

If you want to read an authentic history of the war instead of a folk tale, I suggest "The Guns of August" by Barbara Tuchman. It's old now, but still one of the very best on the subject.

And Tuchman avoids big words, so it's easy to read.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 12:54 PM
 
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False statement in bold. If genuine Idahoans believed in freedom of choice then many of them wouldn't vote in the people they do to state government who take away Idahoans freedom of choice.
Both political parties have been taking away freedom of choice for decades. They just do it in different ways. Anyone who doesn't see that is someone who is willfully blind.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 01:00 PM
 
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Vaccinations are the only way out of this. “Science Rules” used to be a geeky slogan, but in this case the geeks are right. Those who refuse are just delaying us getting back to normal.
Anyone who thinks we're going "back to normal" is kidding themselves. Did we go "back to normal" after 9/11? No. We went to a "new normal" of unprecedented mass surveillance of citizens in the name of fighting the "war on terror". Edward Snowden has been telling us this for over 7 years now.

Covid will serve as cover for doing even more intrusion into people's civil liberties. And this time, it's going global.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 03:16 PM
 
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I have my vaccine ID, but I'll get a test. No biggie.

I find it hard to believe there was a vaccine for the Spanish Flu before the flu was even known.
It's the other way around always; the disease comes first, then the vaccine.

By 1918, the epidemic had been laying down thousands in the trenches for months, so I very strongly doubt it was brought to Europe by an American war ship. And there was no vaccine made in 1918.

If a vaccine existed it would have altered the course of the war drastically, and would be mentioned in history today. And a vaccine would have saved my father's big brother's life.
There was no vaccine for the Spanish Flu and it did start in the US, at an Army base in St. Louis, and then was transported to Europe by American soldiers. It should really be called the "American Flu".
 
Old 05-22-2021, 03:47 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Both political parties have been taking away freedom of choice for decades. They just do it in different ways. Anyone who doesn't see that is someone who is willfully blind.
I cannot +rep this post enough. 1,000,000% agree. Taking liberty and spending our money are the only things the political machine is good at.
 
Old 05-22-2021, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Both political parties have been taking away freedom of choice for decades. They just do it in different ways. Anyone who doesn't see that is someone who is willfully blind.
Yup.
But not in the same ways.
It's different if there's a consensus to lose some freedom in something for something else than it is to elect someone who promises to give everyone's freedom back to them and then proceeds to tell them what they will get and what he'll keep.

It's different as well when our representatives decide for themselves what one group can or cannot do without asking us.

Its' different once more when we decide to take away one groups freedom while keeping it for ourselves and our government agrees with us and allows us to do it.

Never forget freedom is totally neutral.
If the white man is free, then so is the black man and the yellow man and the brown man and the yellow man.

If I have the right to say 'no', then so do you. I cannot force you to say yes to my no, or no to my no. We're equals and we both have freedom to say what we please.

None of us are completely free. None of us were ever completely free. None of us will ever be completely free.
No society ever allows complete freedom. Because complete freedom tears a society apart.

Everyone is the most free when we all agree on our limits. That means all of us are going to feel a little pain somewhere in exchange for a lot more freedom everywhere else.

How much pain depends on how many others don't want that kind of pain.

Ideally, none of us get everything we want, but we all get what we need.
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