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I get the impression that a lot of people from Idaho on this forum have never been anywhere outside of Idaho.
If I recall correctly, one of the growth complainers on this forum admitted to having always lived in Idaho so take certain comments with a grain of salt. I think most of us here have lived outside of the state.
Lol, OMG ALL OF "MY STATES" THINGS THAT I LOVE I HAVE TO SHARE THEM WITH OTHER PEOPLE NOW!!!!
Good lord, do some of you hear what you're saying?
Wake up and get some perspective - you want to be the only one on the mountain? Move to Antarctica... because a lot more people from all over the US are going to be coming to the northwest in the coming years as all of our once great states are pushed to the brink of insolvency by poor state policy, overspending and foreign immigrant influx.
You think that you're going to live in a state forever and it's not going to change? Things change.
I get the impression that a lot of people from Idaho on this forum have never been anywhere outside of Idaho.
Do you know what one of the things most often complained about by Californians?
"Back when I was younger we used to be able to ride our dirt bikes here and there, camp here and there, shoot guns here and there, etc., etc., before the government came in and shut it down."
One of the things most often cited as a reason to move to Idaho: freedom (to hunt, camp, shoot guns, ride OHVs, etc.).
Now, just what the hell do you think happens when a bunch of people start using things? You get more rules, more regulations, and eventually, things get shut down.
Just happened to Skinny Dipper Hot Springs this past week, by the way. And increasingly to most dirt bike and OHV trails we have.
It happens in just about every aspect of outdoor recreation, and in just about every aspect of life period.
So there's your perspective. The irony is that in 15 years you'll be the one b-tching and moaning about how different Idaho was "back in the day," before the government came in and shut everything down, like they did in California.
Do you know what one of the things most often complained about by Californians?
"Back when I was younger we used to be able to ride our dirt bikes here and there, camp here and there, shoot guns here and there, etc., etc., before the government came in and shut it down."
One of the things most often cited as a reason to move to Idaho: freedom (to hunt, camp, shoot guns, ride OHVs, etc.).
Now, just what the hell do you think happens when a bunch of people start using things? You get more rules, more regulations, and eventually, things get shut down.
Just happened to Skinny Dipper Hot Springs this past week, by the way. And increasingly to most dirt bike and OHV trails we have.
It happens in just about every aspect of outdoor recreation, and in just about every aspect of life period.
So there's your perspective. The irony is that in 15 years you'll be the one b-tching and moaning about how different Idaho was "back in the day," before the government came in and shut everything down, like they did in California.
Doesn't make sense does it? As users (consumers) increase, most businesses do what they can to handle the increased demand. They don't close camp spots, trails, shooting locations and force more people into a smaller and smaller area. That is what results in overuse and damage. Around here the vast majority of the Forest Circus employees never get out of the office.
Doesn't make sense does it? As users (consumers) increase, most businesses do what they can to handle the increased demand. They don't close camp spots, trails, shooting locations and force more people into a smaller and smaller area. That is what results in overuse and damage. Around here the vast majority of the Forest Circus employees never get out of the office.
Can't have people actually enjoying their public lands now, can we?
There's a stark difference between enjoying them, and destroying them. If you pay attention to the Skinny Dipper issue, you'd know full well it was the latter. There was a fire started last year by some hot springs users that burned thousands upon thousands of acres in the Payette River corridor.
So it goes with so many that "use" our public lands; they think it's their own thing they can do what they want on, treat however they want, etc. Well, tragedy of the commons, and all that. It's hardly surprising.
What also might be surprising to you is that the land management agencies have different mandates than simply "letting people enjoy their public lands." Those mandates include multiple use, sustained yield. They include preservation and conservation. They include compliance with federal environmental laws and policies.
So when a bunch of idiot jackwagons tear up a camp site or a trail or rangeland, and said areas get shut down because of it... how exactly is that a government issue? Private land owners don't even open up their land to public use because of this, so it strikes me as bizarre that you even went there. And yes, "most businesses" do in fact close things that aren't being used respectfully. And when they don't, they begin to charge more in order to improve the experience. So I guess that's your solution - a $50 dollar trail fee, $100 dollar a night campsite fee?
Do you even think this through?
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