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Old 11-30-2009, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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If a cop asks to search your car, JUST SAY NO. You don't have to sit around and wait for them to bring the drug dogs. Although they will probably arrest you for "eluding an officer" if you do drive off.

Cops are the true thugs of society. They do whatever they want, and most people don't know the law or their rights well enough to fight them.

If you have been pulled over for a "legitimate" reason, you cannot be detained any longer than it takes the cop to write up a ticket. They can't just hold you there and wait for the dogs to show up.

If the police officer sees something in your car that is in plain sight (a bag of weed or whatever), then they have "probable cause" to search and you are screwed.

Just keep the weed out of sight (and smell), don't consent to a search, and be on your way.

Not that I'm condoning illegal drug use...
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:12 AM
 
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Your kidding right? Have you ever been on the receiving end with cops guilty or not. They are in charge and you better understand that right from the beginning. Cops shoot people and don't even get investigated. There is what you wrote and then there is the real world. I once got stopped for suspicious activity. I was just driving around a neighborhood like 3 in the morning waiting for my girlfriend to come home.

Next thing I know a cop is flashing me. I pull over and he begins asking me questions. I don't feel like being corporative, I give all yes and no answers. Next thing there are like a dozen cops there now. They pat me down and take my money asking where I got the money. I still won't give straight answers and just say it is mine.

They ask about my car and so on ending with, "You better not be lying to me boy". At that point I really don't care what they do since I haven't done a thing. They have me sit in the back of the police car handcuffed for maybe 15 minutes before letting me go. I used to know a lot of cops. They go to the shooting range all the time a fantasize about making the big arrest. Half are hopped up on steroids and can't wait till they get a chance to actually use that gun for real.

Once you make friends with a cop and they trust you, they will regale you with stories of how they hassle people and get off on it. Ever notice how cops only socialize with other cops? It is a fraternity. Unfortunately they are a necessary evil.
Labeling all LEO's as corrupt, is quite unfair. There are good and bad amongst us all....LEO's , Lawyers, Doctors, Butchers, Bakers, and Candlestick Makers . What ive found in life, is, if you stay on the RIGHT SIDE of the Law things will go far smoother for you . If you run across an ego-driven/control freak LEO who pulls you over, youd be wise to passify him so you can be on your way again. But to paint all LEO's as morally corrupt is disengenuous ; nearly all are truly there for our protection and for a civil nation.
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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You are not obligated to wait for them to call a drug dog, and for him to show up.

If a cop asks to search your car, say "Am I free to leave?". and you will be able to leave (assuming he has no probable cause to keep you)
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Not always the case, states determine what a reasonable amount of time is that they can detain you while waiting on the dog to arrive on scene:

Once you decide to detain the vehicle for a sniff, how long is constitutionally "reasonable" to wait for a drug detection dog? In Place, the Supreme Court rejected a ninety minute wait, although the court had other significant concerns about the method of detention. Courts routinely approve detentions of twenty to thirty minutes. However, in rural Utah, a drug detection dog is often not available within that time frame. Courts focus on more than just the time delay; the critical factor appears to be the officer's diligence in getting a drug detection dog to the scene. In State v. Welch, the court considered a fifty minute delay from the time of the stop to the arrival of the dog. The court noted that the stop occurred thirty- one miles from where the nearest drug detection dog was stationed, and found that the delay was not unreasonable. In United States v. Hardy, the court explicitly ruled that the fifty minutes necessary to secure a drug detection dog was not unreasonable when the dog was stationed twenty-five miles away. The court also noted that it could not expect that the police would have a dog available at a shorter distance, given the rural area. Several courts have approved of detentions of up to ninety minutes, when the detention is supported by reasonable suspicion and the officer acts with due diligence to get the dog there as soon as practical.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:37 PM
 
Location: OKC
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1. Police almost never need a warrant to search a car - in any state. They MAY need probable cause, depending on the circumstances. But often they don't need even that much, it just depends on the situation, (officer safety, inventory if they are impounding, etc.)

2. If police tell you to wait for the drug dog, you have to wait for the drug dog. If they make you wait too long, the evidence may not be admissible. But regardless, you are not free to leave just because you don't want to wait there.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:43 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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Yes, and if they have probable cause and find nothing, they can go to their trunk and find something to place in your vehicle.
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Old 12-02-2009, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Florida
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You are not obligated to wait for them to call a drug dog, and for him to show up.

If a cop asks to search your car, say "Am I free to leave?". and you will be able to leave (assuming he has no probable cause to keep you)


I wouldnt let the police search my car. Even though I dont do anything illegal. Besides the wasted time, it would be kind of humiliating to be standing on the street getting your car searched while people drive by and stare at you. You have your rights, might as well use them.
They can hold you as long as it takes for the drug dog to get there.

Your car might be inspected for exterior violations such as ride height...

The system might be backlogged or there might be a glitch checking your driving history....

or you may just be informed you are being detained. They have the right to detain you while conducting an investigation.

Refusing and resisting only makes things worse. They'll do it anyway and even if it comes up clean after you refuse you'll be getting a ticket for tire width or ride height or some obscure violation like that they usually don't cite. You certainly forfeit any chance at a warning on your original violation if you fail to consent to a search.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:22 AM
 
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Labeling all LEO's as corrupt, is quite unfair. There are good and bad amongst us all....LEO's , Lawyers, Doctors, Butchers, Bakers, and Candlestick Makers . What ive found in life, is, if you stay on the RIGHT SIDE of the Law things will go far smoother for you . If you run across an ego-driven/control freak LEO who pulls you over, youd be wise to passify him so you can be on your way again. But to paint all LEO's as morally corrupt is disengenuous ; nearly all are truly there for our protection and for a civil nation.
The thing is, it is a catch 22. Like I said I have known a lot of cops. It is a lousy job and many who become cops don't do it for long. The ones who stay, stay because they get something else from the job. They love the power it gives them. I have knows cops who would have done the job for nothing, real nut jobs. The chances of you running into one of these types is very high. There is a natural weeding out process with cops and the ones who make it a career of it are usually the AH's. They represent I would guess majority. Nice guys, sincere guys trying to do the right thing, guys with any compassion for his fellow man don't last. Cops are like a legal street gang doing what they want and they get off on it.

There is just a reality here that can't be ignored. I can't believe it, just, last night I am standing on the street waiting for my wife. She was visiting someone a few blocks over and was walking home around 1 in the morning. She called me to tell me she was no her way home and I said i will walk and meet you half way and walk home with you. Sure enough here comes a cop and he makes a U-turn and pulls up to me. I don't have my hair back (middle of my back) and in the course of him questioning me why I am there he makes a comment about me needing a haircut. WTF. About that time here comes my wife and we go on home. I was polite because he was checking my neighborhood and that is a good thing but, in talking with him he was a complete AH.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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They can hold you as long as it takes for the drug dog to get there.

Your car might be inspected for exterior violations such as ride height...

The system might be backlogged or there might be a glitch checking your driving history....

or you may just be informed you are being detained. They have the right to detain you while conducting an investigation.

Refusing and resisting only makes things worse. They'll do it anyway and even if it comes up clean after you refuse you'll be getting a ticket for tire width or ride height or some obscure violation like that they usually don't cite. You certainly forfeit any chance at a warning on your original violation if you fail to consent to a search.
What about if you have alot of frozen food in the car from grocery shopping, or, you are on your way home because a loved one fell ill , etc... ???
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:06 AM
 
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The thing is, it is a catch 22. Like I said I have known a lot of cops. It is a lousy job and many who become cops don't do it for long. The ones who stay, stay because they get something else from the job. They love the power it gives them. I have knows cops who would have done the job for nothing, real nut jobs. The chances of you running into one of these types is very high. There is a natural weeding out process with cops and the ones who make it a career of it are usually the AH's. They represent I would guess majority. Nice guys, sincere guys trying to do the right thing, guys with any compassion for his fellow man don't last. Cops are like a legal street gang doing what they want and they get off on it.

There is just a reality here that can't be ignored. I can't believe it, just, last night I am standing on the street waiting for my wife. She was visiting someone a few blocks over and was walking home around 1 in the morning. She called me to tell me she was no her way home and I said i will walk and meet you half way and walk home with you. Sure enough here comes a cop and he makes a U-turn and pulls up to me. I don't have my hair back (middle of my back) and in the course of him questioning me why I am there he makes a comment about me needing a haircut. WTF. About that time here comes my wife and we go on home. I was polite because he was checking my neighborhood and that is a good thing but, in talking with him he was a complete AH.
Appearances matter ; Cops have profiles they have to work off of . Its not to say all long haired Men in pony tails are undesirables in society but at 1 a.m. someone like that might set off a yellow flag in the mind of an LEO . His comment to you, however, was uncalled for ... and sooner or later hes going to get into trouble for being prejudiced . Isnt it kind of dangerous for you to have hair that long ... have you ever caught it something moving and gotton hurt ? To each his own...just so long as you stay on the correct side of the Law. I find things go much better if one does.
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Old 12-03-2009, 08:11 AM
 
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What about if you have alot of frozen food in the car from grocery shopping, or, you are on your way home because a loved one fell ill , etc... ???
Dude !?!? Wheres my car ?!??!, I mean sanity

If a cop knows this stuff , he will hold you up longer.......
When my FIL/Dad was dying, a low-life little local punk cop in
Vermont held me up over a ticketable violation and to add insult to injury,
made me drain my ATM account or he would "Lose the car".
Explaining the dire need to get to the airport just made him lick
his chops and see what he could do to prolong it.
absolutely psychotically, sick behavior.

If you are about to be pulled, shoot for a private parking lot.
Cops love to tow stuff and watch you freak. Its makes their day.
In most jurisdictions, you cannot be hooked from a private parking
lot during open hours. Doesnt mean they wont, though, but
sometimes it makes them rethink their treachery.

In otherwords, NEVER let a cop know you have stuff you need
to get handled because you will just add an hour onto the stop.
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