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FYI : BEFORE 1930S... Vagrants (the homeless) were arrested or had to vacate the county.
It used to be a "status crime" to be homeless, and they got the "bum's rush."
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After 1933, thanks to the [redacted] all Americans became eligible for public charity ("Relief") and that made even the Judicial offers (ahem) officers into paupers at law - status criminals. WELL, can't have paupers prosecuting paupers.
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IN THE BAD OLD DAYS

To be eligible for public charity one had to swear to be a pauper, owning practically nothing. FDR abolished the Pauper’s Oath, once Americans signed up with FICA. (Only duly enrolled participants are eligible for "entitlements" - public charity)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pauper%27s_oath

I do solemnly swear that I have not any property, real or personal, exceeding $20, except such as is by law exempt from being taken on civil process for debt; and that I have no property in any way conveyed or concealed, or in any way disposed of, for my future use or benefit. So help me God.

A "dollar bill" (Federal Reserve Note) is not a "dollar" (silver or gold coin). Since 1933, no real dollars have circulated, thus no one has more than $20 dollars. Dollar bills have no par value (worthless) since 1933. (See HJR 192, June 1933 & The Gold Reserve Act of 1934). No one has "paid debt" in gold or silver coin, and that's how excise taxes (sales taxes) can be levied on all transactions.
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"STATUS CRIME - A class of crime which consists not in proscribed action or inaction, but in the accused's having a certain personal condition or being a person of a specified character. An example of a status crime is VAGRANCY."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., p.1410

" VAGRANT - At common law, wandering or going about from place to place by idle person who has no lawful or visible means of support and who subsisted on CHARITY and did not work, though able to do so.... One who is apt to become a PUBLIC CHARGE through his own laziness."
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., p. 1549

"PAUPER - One so poor that he must be supported at public expense."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, 6th ed., p. 1128

VAGABOND. A vagrant or homeless wanderer without means of honest livelihood. Neering v. Illinois Cent. R. Co., 383 111. 366, 50 N.E.2d 497, 502. One who wanders from place to place, having no fixed dwelling, or, if he has one, not abiding in it; a wanderer, especially such a person who is lazy and generally worthless and without means of honest livelihood. See also Vagrant.
- - - Black's Law Dictionary, 6th ed., p. 1549

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"The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union, the free inhabitants of each of these states, PAUPERS, VAGABONDS and fugitives from Justice EXCEPTED, shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of free citizens in the several states; . . . "
[Article IV of the Articles of Confederation (1777)]

As long as the government is run by status criminals, they're unable to prosecute other status criminals. Which may also explain why fugitives from justice (as in running away) are no longer shot. (Remember the command: "Halt or I'll shoot!" )

[sinatras]

Not gonna fix anything in Tampa; the homeless already camp out on private property without any problem.

[Arya Stark]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Oh great....a leading expert on the homeless and social services.

Please do elaborate as to where these "tons of agencies" are and their programs available. Children and seniors have next to nothing for safety nets in FL and there's virtually zilch for the homeless.

Also news flash, stop watching tabloid TV as the many of the homeless are seniors and families priced out of rental housing....and not drug addicts.

What? Social security welfare? Have these been elminated in Florida?

[Steve-C]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

With what exactly? A tent and sleeping bag? Where is the running water for bathroom necessities?

These aren't wild animals...try to be just a little bit humane.

They can always hop a bus up to NYC or Chicago and claim to be "newcomers"..and they will have the world at their feet...

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

https://www.wusf.org/politics-issues...%20governments.

It also requires local jurisdictions to provide places for them to go.

Awesome!

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

The state is sitting on a 7 Billion dollar budget surplus for 2024, how about some of that money?

First off, there's no good solution everyone will like...there's only the least offensive alternatives.

My wife recently traveled to Vienna, Prague, & Budapest and saw very few homeless people...close to none. We need to send our HHS guru's over there, to see how they're handling it...& other places too...share best practices.

We also need to understand that most of them are ill...addicition, mental health, or both. Some are a danger to themselves, and/or others.

Here's what I would think would happen if FLA built homeless lodging.

There'd be rules to stay in them...no drugs, no booze, no pets, talk to a counselor, at the least.

Most homeless won't comply w/ the rules, so won't use them, & the money's wasted.

Those who will comply, will sleep there, then leave to wander public places begging for $ for drugs/booze to consume in public places. Then, return to the homeless lodging to sleep it off..if they make it that far.

I like no sleeping in public laws. I like keeping them away from public places totally...no sleeping, no begging to feed & perpetuate their illnesses.

[WRM20]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

They should be directed to prison.

Prison for not having enough money to pay for housing? That seems overly harsh.

[Travelassie]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

With what exactly? A tent and sleeping bag? Where is the running water for bathroom necessities?

These aren't wild animals...try to be just a little bit humane.

Well, perhaps you can invite any number of them to camp out on your lawn, and use your home facilities?

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

What? Social security welfare? Have these been elminated in Florida?

Wow, completely clueless.

Social Security Disability (SSI) pretty much requires legal representation and a lot of time, plus has all kinds of limitations that include work credits or employment five years out of the past ten. The amount is also capped at around $900 a month last I checked. Where exactly would that be a feasible amount to live on as an independent adult?

SSDI (Social Security Disability Insurance) has strict limitations also. In 2024, for example, you earn 1 credit for each $1,730 in wages or self-employment income. When you've earned $6,920 you've earned your 4 credits for the year. The number of work credits you need to qualify for disability benefits depends on your age when your disability begins. Generally, you need 40 credits, 20 of which were earned in the last 10 years ending with the year your disability begins. Typically the vast majority of homeless (or disabled in general) are not qualified for this program that caps at $3600 per month.

Retirement Social Security is available at age 62 and is either/or with SSI (cannot collect both).

Welfare benefits pay a maximum of $3600 per year in FL ($300 per month) and that amount has not changed since 1997.

EBT (Food Stamps) pays a maximum of $250 per month for an individual, or $8 a day. Worth mentioning it does not cover hot prepared foods, which if homeless is sort of key.

Do the math and please suggest how the vast majority of homeless can get by on the numbers provided.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by Travelassie

Well, perhaps you can invite any number of them to camp out on your lawn, and use your home facilities?

There's the typical "well-educated" Floridian response I was looking for. Nice job!