[gypsychic]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

I'm in /western NC right now, & its beautiful. Mountains, lush greenery, waterfalls, & the weather is A-.

I'm seeing all ages, but more 50+ 'ers than I thought I'd see.

Great temps & low humidity, but it is a temperate rain forest, so it rains about 4 days/wk during Summer, but usually off & on, & for short intervals. I'm at 2200 ft above sea level.

I've been here 5 weeks now, & only had 1 full day rain out. It was 68 degrees at 8 am...ahhh.

There's a lot of Floridians here as reverse snowbirds, & transplants. I met a guy who moved here full time from Miami 3 yrs ago with no regrets. I've met 2 ladies from Naples, 1 guy from Fernandina Beach.

I plan to return next year, and stay even longer. Either Brevard or the Southern 'burbs of Asheville. Hendersonville seemed nice too the day I was there, but it lacks a few things I want.

I think 8 months in FLA, and 4 months in Western NC make a great combination. The contrast in topography makes it interesting.

It's not cheap here unless you go rural. I got denied a 3 mo. rental (single family home) next year (I offered $18,000) just South of Asheville.

We owned a second home in Asheville back in 2005- 2008. We took vacations and thought we might even retire there. It's beautiful, but by the third year saw (for us) the shortcomings. It is definitely mostly a retirement area, and snowbird/visitor area. So, from that standpoint it is and will be booming even more, like Florida. It is ridiculously expensive now. It may have even caught up with Sarasota.

[gatorlyn]

It’s becoming increasingly more difficult to find “that place”. If you do find it, keep it to yourself, and don’t tell anyone. Just go, we’ll be happy for ya

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by jetgraphics

Y'all might look into Jawjuh...
The uplands (North) have a mild climate, with an occasional snowfall, but not as humid as the coastal region (Savannah, etc).
The downside: much of the land is in reserves, TVA watersheds, and not available for development.
Most of the "good" jobs are in the Atlanta Metro.


"Tourist City" Helen, GA
//www.city-data.com/city/Helen-Georgia.html


Hot 'Lanta
//www.city-data.com/city/Atlanta-Georgia.html


Humid Savannah
//www.city-data.com/city/Savannah-Georgia.html

Couldn't pay me 250k a year to live anywhere near Atlanta. Traffic is horrendous, but the crime is out of control too in many areas!

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

Isn't Asheville a lib city though? NC becoming too moderate for me. Seems everyone from north of there like Virginia is spilling into NC. Soom they will be solid D like Virginia is!

Asheville and Boone are the liberal pockets and the rest while Red is moderate GOP, minus the MAGA extremes which is attractive apparently to Floridians of a similar cloth or as mentioned Virginians. I think centrist is a better description and even Asheville or Boone isn't "far-left in your face" like West Coast cities can tend to be, and why Asheville in particular succeeds in its appeal to a varied population that cohabitates peacefully. Yet still there are some who cannot tolerate and why East TN for instance seemingly lacks that balance.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

Couldn't pay me 250k a year to live anywhere near Atlanta. Traffic is horrendous, but the crime is out of control too in many areas!

ATL has passed its prime from my perspective, so I got out after 25 yrs. there. It went from great, to nice, to okay, to get me the heck outtta here, in those 25 yrs. The Exburbs are still nice, so long as you're retired, or work from home.

Georgia's hot spots will be coastal, & mountains from 1 hr North of ATL, to the state lines.

Work-from-home, and baby boomers retiring will be the biggest megatrends of our lifetimes. This will cause a shift from big cities, to 2nd & 3rd tier cities, and to rural areas for the bottom 1/2. Rural America's still affordable.

Prices, overcrowding, & Summer heat will slow Florida's growth. I see the halfback trend growing.

Hot spots require land, so look for lots of available land nearest the coasts, or in places with natural beauty & moderate climates.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

ATL has passed its prime from my perspective, so I got out after 25 yrs. there. It went from great, to nice, to okay, to get me the heck outtta here, in those 25 yrs. The Exburbs are still nice, so long as you're retired, or work from home.

Georgia's hot spots will be coastal, & mountains from 1 hr North of ATL, to the state lines.

Work-from-home, and baby boomers retiring will be the biggest megatrends of our lifetimes. This will cause a shift from big cities, to 2nd & 3rd tier cities, and to rural areas for the bottom 1/2. Rural America's still affordable.

Prices, overcrowding, & Summer heat will slow Florida's growth. I see the halfback trend growing.

Hot spots require land, so look for lots of available land nearest the coasts, or in places with natural beauty & moderate climates.

I agree completely and feel it should have been apparent since the rent inequity issue hit FL coupled with societal change post-pandemic. FL's political shift hard right and one of the worst summers on record in terms of heat have also increased interest towards the exit doors. I would bet heavily the 2023 net migration numbers for FL fall below 1%, versus the 1.9% in 2022. Besides the typical "halfback" options in states like NC, SC, GA and TN, second and third tier cities in the Midwest and Plains are becoming attractive to many across the US looking for a manageable cost of living with job opportunities and varying amenities minus eight to nine months of blistering heat.

[FL_Expert]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

I agree completely and feel it should have been apparent since the rent inequity issue hit FL coupled with societal change post-pandemic. FL's political shift hard right and one of the worst summers on record in terms of heat have also increased interest towards the exit doors. I would bet heavily the 2023 net migration numbers for FL fall below 1%, versus the 1.9% in 2022. Besides the typical "halfback" options in states like NC, SC, GA and TN, second and third tier cities in the Midwest and Plains are becoming attractive to many across the US looking for a manageable cost of living with job opportunities and varying amenities minus eight to nine months of blistering heat.

Speaking of which, good luck on your move Kyle. I can see the appeal of the Midwest, it’s not a bad value.

[LKJ1988]

Originally Posted by lluvia

Next hot spot? Wherever it's not cold will be the general answer you get.

Just make it another state. I hope we keep getting canes and maybe run off around 20 milllion peeps.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

I agree completely and feel it should have been apparent since the rent inequity issue hit FL coupled with societal change post-pandemic. FL's political shift hard right and one of the worst summers on record in terms of heat have also increased interest towards the exit doors. I would bet heavily the 2023 net migration numbers for FL fall below 1%, versus the 1.9% in 2022. Besides the typical "halfback" options in states like NC, SC, GA and TN, second and third tier cities in the Midwest and Plains are becoming attractive to many across the US looking for a manageable cost of living with job opportunities and varying amenities minus eight to nine months of blistering heat.

I would so move back to Grand Rapids if you actually saw the sun more than 15 minutes at a time between November and April. Still a reasonable cost of living and good quality of life, but I just can’t handle the gloom.

Lots of other places in the Midwest that have that kind of happy balance like Des Moines, Omaha, Columbus, Madison, etc. Omaha would actually be a pretty good place to start a career- lots of white collar jobs for a metro area that size and you can buy a nice family home with the salaries they offer.

[Johnhw222]

Originally Posted by jcp123

With global warming, I feel like the Great Lakes rust belt will begin to see a revival in earnest. Winter sucks but will get more mild, and summer is downright pleasant.

That’s going to take a very long time, you got a life extending machine we dont know about. Lol?