[tinytrump]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

A lot of them do have good job skills and excellent work ethics. The Spousal Unit got talking with one of the guys working on replacing out driveway in 2018, and while it was ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ about immigration status, we learned he’d been a teacher in Central America (IIRC, Nicaragua or El Salvador) before coming north because construction work paid better here and he also did painting, tile work, and drywall repair in addition to concrete depending on who was hiring him this week.

Those types of guys work hard and often do good quality work. They’re also being firmly discouraged from coming to Florida now. Better for them to just stay in Texas where they cam make as much money, pay les in rent, and have less fear of being hassled by state government.

Knew one person ran from Venezuela some years ago. He was a college professor and knew 5 languages. Worked construction to send money to feed his family and try to get them out. Another guy was an engineer, worked as a transporter contracted by a car rental co. They take work seriously.

[StarryKnight1]

I should point out that the vast majority of “illegal immigrants” in our country entered legally on visas but overstayed the time the visa specified, not people entering physically through unauthorized ways. Besides, for the person trying to stay in the USA, it doesn’t tactically make sense for a migrant to enter illegally, given the repeal or expiration of validity of most bills that state if a migrant managed to tangibly enter the United States, that they are eligible for expedited gov’t processes (Wet Foot/Dry Foot, etc.) if they are just going to be deported once they are found out.

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by tinytrump

Knew one person ran from Venezuela some years ago. He was a college professor and knew 5 languages. Worked construction to send money to feed his family and try to get them out. Another guy was an engineer, worked as a transporter contracted by a car rental co. They take work seriously.

The first major wave of Venezuelan immigrants were often the best educated folks in the country who lost jobs when their employers got socialized and jobs were reallocated to political party cronies.

The ones who were in the petroleum industry often got snapped up right quick by Texas oil companies because they knew the Venezuelans would do good quality work.

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

The first major wave of Venezuelan immigrants were often the best educated folks in the country who lost jobs when their employers got socialized and jobs were reallocated to political party cronies.

The ones who were in the petroleum industry often got snapped up right quick by Texas oil companies because they knew the Venezuelans would do good quality work.

Yeah, it's not like we don't need skilled labor in the US. Maybe even some unskilled too. Other countries have an efficient process for this.

I guess the question is more like . . . maybe there are 100 million dudes in the world who are better roofers than my neighbor, have a better work ethic, whatever . . . does that mean that my native born neighbor should get to the back of the line for work because some guy from Venezuela can do it better?

[Ghaati]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

Yeah, it's not like we don't need skilled labor in the US. Maybe even some unskilled too. Other countries have an efficient process for this.

I guess the question is more like . . . maybe there are 100 million dudes in the world who are better roofers than my neighbor, have a better work ethic, whatever . . . does that mean that my native born neighbor should get to the back of the line for work because some guy from Venezuela can do it better?

If I'm paying $10,000 for a new roof, I want the best person I can possibly find for that $10,000. If the guy next door isn't as good as the immigrant from Venezuela, then the guy next door can help someone else. Also, if I'm hiring someone to edge my lawn and trim the bushes, and the guy next door will do it for $50 but leave cigarette butts on the driveway and take 3 hours to do it, and the guy from Venezuela takes an hour and leaves the place spotless, the money's going to the guy from Venezuela.

If the guy next door wants my business, he'll have to earn it, just like the guy from Venezuela does. No one is entitled just because of the circumstances of their birth.

[JMatl]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

If I'm paying $10,000 for a new roof, I want the best person I can possibly find for that $10,000. If the guy next door isn't as good as the immigrant from Venezuela, then the guy next door can help someone else. Also, if I'm hiring someone to edge my lawn and trim the bushes, and the guy next door will do it for $50 but leave cigarette butts on the driveway and take 3 hours to do it, and the guy from Venezuela takes an hour and leaves the place spotless, the money's going to the guy from Venezuela.

If the guy next door wants my business, he'll have to earn it, just like the guy from Venezuela does. No one is entitled just because of the circumstances of their birth.

This.

[Calmletter]

I read all 6 pages of this discussion and my opinion is that Florida definitely could have much stronger enforcement from every direction including the enforcement of our immigration laws with individual illegal aliens, but also by enforcement of our labor laws on any business owners who hire illegal workers. They should heavily fine business owners violating labor laws.

All the worries such as “we won’t have enough workers!” is faulty thinking. I think if Florida completely removed all illegal aliens that prosperity would rapidly return to the middle class unlike anything the state can ever remember in history. It would be a tremendous stress relief for the workforce in Florida.

It is failed logic to think that life would be impossible without illegal workers. Sure it would be different for a little while but from that would emerge the healthiest Florida workforce ever. The biggest problem you would face is millions of Liberty minded legal workers wanting to move to Florida for a fair chance.

Anybody that has work that is being stolen and our wages compromised by the invaders who steal jobs and depress wages we are totally SICK of them. They are economically poisonous to our country. They have contaminated our nations workforce.

[jetgraphics]

“... at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people, and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves.

“... In Europe, the sovereignty is generally ascribed to the Prince; here, it rests with the people; there, the sovereign actually administers the government; here, never in a single instance; our Governors are the agents of the people, and, at most, stand in the same relation to their sovereign in which regents in Europe stand to their sovereigns."

- - - Justice John Jay in Chisholm v. Georgia (2 U.S. 419 (1793))

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremec...CR_0002_0419_Z

Why would any "sovereign" American need "Permission" of the servant government to work in his own country?
smh

[mrviking]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

If the guy next door wants my business, he'll have to earn it, just like the guy from Venezuela does. No one is entitled just because of the circumstances of their birth.

Yet it happens everyday in the name of "DIVERSITY".

[Calmletter]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

A lot of them do have good job skills and excellent work ethics. The Spousal Unit got talking with one of the guys working on replacing out driveway in 2018, and while it was ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ about immigration status, we learned he’d been a teacher in Central America (IIRC, Nicaragua or El Salvador) before coming north because construction work paid better here and he also did painting, tile work, and drywall repair in addition to concrete depending on who was hiring him this week.

Those types of guys work hard and often do good quality work. They’re also being firmly discouraged from coming to Florida now. Better for them to just stay in Texas where they cam make as much money, pay les in rent, and have less fear of being hassled by state government.

That guys primary occupation is Thief. By violating our immigration and labor laws he is not only a Thief but also a career Criminal. What don’t people understand about this?

Illegal workers are Thieves. They are Criminals through and through. There is nothing “racist” about that.