[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

The answer is in your own post. But to clarify:

"illegal" when used correctly, and NOT as a pejorative, is an adjective. It describes someone or something, it doesn't label them. A person driving a car illegally is an illegal driver. The word "illegal" describes the noun "driver." An illegal driver isn't an illegal. She's an illegal driver.

An illegal immigrant, similarly, is not an illegal. He is an illegal immigrant. Illegal is modifying immigrant, not labeling the person who is immigrating.

"Illegal" as a noun, is a pejorative used to intentionally label undocumented immigrants in a demeaning, dehumanizing way. Illegal as an adjective is a description of a person who does or says something specific.

"He is an illegal."
"He is an illegal immigrant."

The two carry with them entirely different moods. The first is trailer-trash ignorant uneducated talk, something bigots say when they want to remind everyone about how stupid they are, as a badge of honor or some kind of thing.
The second, while not as kind as "undocumented immigrant" is at least somewhat accurate (though asylum-seekers who are in the USA are - undocumented immigrants, but not "illegal immigrants" even though they are undocumented), and not intentionally mean, and only somewhat said out of ignorance.

Good info, and to further clarify, crossing the border without permission is a crime (a misdemeanor) but the fact of being in the US without proper authorization is not a crime at all, it's a civil violation. So if a person is detained and does not have proper authorization and denies illegally crossing the border they only face a civil penalty. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/polit...nal/index.html

Referring to people as "illegals" does indeed convey an image of an uneducated person who takes pleasure in denigrating people.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Good info, and to further clarify, crossing the border without permission is a crime (a misdemeanor) but the fact of being in the US without proper authorization is not a crime at all, it's a civil violation. So if a person is detained and does not have proper authorization and denies illegally crossing the border they only face a civil penalty. https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/24/polit...nal/index.html

Eh... It's still "illegal," as it violates written law. I was once on the other side of things, (overstayed student visa) and faced deportation and a 10 year ban from re-entry into the US. The reason? Breaking immigration laws. I was here illegally.

From USCIS itself:

If you are a noncitizen and are not a lawful permanent resident of the United States, you are inadmissible (unless an exception applies) if:

You accrued one year or more of unlawful presence during a single stay in the United States on or after April 1, 1997;
You departed the United States or were removed from the United States under any provision of law; and
You again seek admission within 10 years of your departure or removal following your accrual of unlawful presence.
The 10-year unlawful presence ground of inadmissibility applies whether you leave before, during, or after DHS initiated removal proceedings.

This statutory 10-year period starts when you depart or are removed from the United States.

If you are inadmissible under the three-year or the 10-year unlawful presence grounds of inadmissibility, you may be eligible to apply for a waiver of inadmissibility. The legal requirements and procedures for applying for the waiver depend on the immigration benefit you seek.
https://www.uscis.gov/laws-and-polic...nadmissibility



If you break immigration LAWS, you're here illegally. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than this.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Referring to people as "illegals" does indeed convey an image of an uneducated person who takes pleasure in denigrating people.

LOLOLOLOL.....maybe to the demons in your head

...to a normal person it means they are here illegally...that's all

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Arcenal813

Eh... It's still "illegal," as it violates written law. I was once on the other side of things, (overstayed student visa) and faced deportation and a 10 year ban from re-entry into the US. The reason? Breaking immigration laws. I was here illegally.

From USCIS itself:

If you are a noncitizen and are not a lawful permanent resident of the United States, you are inadmissible (unless an exception applies) if:

You accrued one year or more of unlawful presence during a single stay in the United States on or after April 1, 1997;
You departed the United States or were removed from the United States under any provision of law; and
You again seek admission within 10 years of your departure or removal following your accrual of unlawful presence.
The 10-year unlawful presence ground of inadmissibility applies whether you leave before, during, or after DHS initiated removal proceedings.

This statutory 10-year period starts when you depart or are removed from the United States.

If you are inadmissible under the three-year or the 10-year unlawful presence grounds of inadmissibility, you may be eligible to apply for a waiver of inadmissibility. The legal requirements and procedures for applying for the waiver depend on the immigration benefit you seek.
https://www.uscis.gov/laws-and-polic...nadmissibility


If you break immigration LAWS, you're here illegally. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than this.

You were breaking the law, that's true but your violation was civil not criminal.

[Arcenal813]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You were breaking the law, that's true but your violation was civil not criminal.

And breaking the law is illegal. Right?

[beachmouse]

I’m a pragmatic sort and we’re rushing through some minor home repair and improvement stuff this summer despite having to schedule in between trips in part because I’m concerned about how the new laws will impact Florida’s already strained building trades sector over the next year or two.

Even if you normally go for, say, the All-American roofing company instead of deciding that any labor contracts between contractor, their HR person, and employees are none of your business, I see that sector losing enough employees over this that pricing for a lot of jobs is going to go up significantly in any number of ways.

[Corrie22]

beach, they just let in ~1 million people....that do not speak English and have no job skills

...there's not going to be a shortage

[beachmouse]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

beach, they just let in ~1 million people....that do not speak English and have no job skills

...there's not going to be a shortage

A lot of them do have good job skills and excellent work ethics. The Spousal Unit got talking with one of the guys working on replacing out driveway in 2018, and while it was ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ about immigration status, we learned he’d been a teacher in Central America (IIRC, Nicaragua or El Salvador) before coming north because construction work paid better here and he also did painting, tile work, and drywall repair in addition to concrete depending on who was hiring him this week.

Those types of guys work hard and often do good quality work. They’re also being firmly discouraged from coming to Florida now. Better for them to just stay in Texas where they cam make as much money, pay les in rent, and have less fear of being hassled by state government.

[Corrie22]

so you found one.....out of millions....that had a job and education...and he's only here to make more money

this welfare for them is running out....New York said they are spending over $5 million a day and it's unsustainable

NY alone is housing ~37,000......it's costing NY ~$5million a day......that's over $1 billion $800 million a year.....$1,800,000,000...for only housing ~37,000

this money is running out...and running out fast....they are going to have to go to work or starve

[tinytrump]

Originally Posted by MOforthewin

Send them packing. When it comes to Constuction illegals do shoddy work. Don't even get me started on what goes on in my area and poor quality the big box builders hire "illegals."

FDLE, ICE, etc. should do random checks on job sites as well. DeSantis delivers yet again!

Who says they don’t. Where do you think those raids and I-9 inspections come from? This is ridiculous really. The state is enforcing a Fed program. They can’t really. They don’t have the jurisdiction nor the data to see who is or not illegal or their status.
DHS/ ICE is already doing all this work. Just not under Ronnie’s command.