[AngelaRetired]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

Crow now about how high real estate costs are keeping ‘those people’ out of the state; complain later when you go to the doctor and are told it will be a week before they can do a blood draw because it’s hard to find a phlebotomist who can afford to live here.

There are a lot of jobs that are necessary to the normal operation of society that are going to go increasingly infilled because people can’t afford to take them for $15/hour down here and it will get to the point where either wages are going ot have to go up or subsidies to lower income employees are going to have to increase in order to literally keep the trash picked up.

The medicare drama for me next year when I turn 65 has me concerned!

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

The over-50s who were able to jump onto the property market back in the day are generally going to be okay.

not necessarily......they all have much younger guys working for them....learning the trade

the point I was trying to make....is career choices...learn a trade that pays

[AngelaRetired]

What are good paying trades for Florida?

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

They need to understand the economics of FLA are unique, & inflation has hit hard here. Tampa has had some of the highest inflation rates in the USA.

Coastal FLA is not the place for people trying to live on minimum wage, unless there are multiple wage earners in their household, and they are extremely frugal, have no debt, & reliable transportation. Otherwise, they will likely fail.

If they deserve better, employers will pay them better, if they don't deserve better, than employers will not pay them better...those are the facts. It's up to themselves to elevate their own value in the jobs marketplace, & nobody elses.

Nobody's forcing anybody to be stuck working at Wendy's...it is totally upto each worker, where they work. Playing the victim, isn't going to get any sympathy from me.

I came from a poor & broken home...started with nothing, and am now a top 2%'er. If I could do it, most anyone else can too.

Once you've made it, life is so so good

Typical dinosaur thought, citing your irrelevant experiences from 30-40 years ago.

It's a different world now after two go-rounds of middle management downsizing (during the Recession 2006-2010 and the Pandemic), wage stagnation (mid-2000s salaries in 2022), inflationary conditions and rent-to-wage inequity comparable to the SF Bay area in terms of ratio. Lastly we're in a zero population growth moment with a steadily aging workforce retiring or cutting back, not to mention cracking down on immigration in some areas because after all Americans are all about working as farm laborers, dishwashers, digging ditches or mowing lawns for a living.

Who exactly do you expect is going to handle all of those necessary tasks?

[AngelaRetired]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Americans are all about working as farm laborers, dishwashers, digging ditches or mowing lawns for a living.

Who exactly do you expect is going to handle all of those necessary tasks?

IF we have any farms left the way things are going.

They will "probably" get a college student for dishwashing until they get a "degree" and leave for another state for the big bucks. They have options of online, day, night and weekend classes to work around this.

Mowing lawns, high schoolers wanting to make some pocket money and save for college. Of course it would have to be around their school hours, family vacations, time with friends.

Hmmm, "landscapers" = going to have to learn how to do your own.

Digging ditches, well.... You are correct!

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by beachmouse

Crow now about how high real estate costs are keeping ‘those people’ out of the state; complain later when you go to the doctor and are told it will be a week before they can do a blood draw because it’s hard to find a phlebotomist who can afford to live here.

There are a lot of jobs that are necessary to the normal operation of society that are going to go increasingly infilled because people can’t afford to take them for $15/hour down here and it will get to the point where either wages are going ot have to go up or subsidies to lower income employees are going to have to increase in order to literally keep the trash picked up.

I have total trust that the free market economy will adapt to these situations.

It might not occur instantly, & may take a while, but they will be remedied.

[sheerbliss]

When was this golden age when people could live large bagging groceries?

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Typical dinosaur thought, citing your irrelevant experiences from 30-40 years ago.

It's a different world now after two go-rounds of middle management downsizing (during the Recession 2006-2010 and the Pandemic), wage stagnation (mid-2000s salaries in 2022), inflationary conditions and rent-to-wage inequity comparable to the SF Bay area in terms of ratio. Lastly we're in a zero population growth moment with a steadily aging workforce retiring or cutting back, not to mention cracking down on immigration in some areas because after all Americans are all about working as farm laborers, dishwashers, digging ditches or mowing lawns for a living.

Who exactly do you expect is going to handle all of those necessary tasks?

The free market economy will respond to all shortages...fear not

And the federal gov't will be there to lend the free market economy a hand where needed.

Yes, there are some labor shortages occurring throughout the USA, but the market place is adjusting, and will remedy them all eventually. It might just take more time than some would like.

Many of the positions will be filled by the Millions of fed gov't imported low-skilled labor that has crossed, and are still crossing, our Southern border.

They'll all need jobs, and low-paying jobs abound here in FLA. A match made in heaven. They have no problems living in tight quarters in tiny houses. They'll be displacing the low skilled U.S. citizen workers who are demanding $20/hr to work. The imports will gladly work for less.

You'd have to be a Dinosaur to think the imported workers are not going to fill these voids. Some of the smarter ones will learn to draw blood, clean teeth, take x-ray images, ect.. The less intelligent imports will clean the dishes, & do the yard work.

I don't worry one bit that the work wont get done...we might have to wait a bit longer than usual, until we can get all of these imports up to speed and in place.

[AngelaRetired]

Originally Posted by sheerbliss

When was this golden age when people could live large bagging groceries?

lol

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by AngelaRetired

IF we have any farms left the way things are going.

They will "probably" get a college student for dishwashing until they get a "degree" and leave for another state for the big bucks. They have options of online, day, night and weekend classes to work around this.

Mowing lawns, high schoolers wanting to make some pocket money and save for college. Of course it would have to be around their school hours, family vacations, time with friends.

Hmmm, "landscapers" = going to have to learn how to do your own.

Digging ditches, well.... You are correct!

High school unemployment is at an all-time low thanks mostly to laws restricting their work hours which is difficult for businesses to work around. College students are all about internships in their chosen field and don't know of any who would resort to washing dishes. Lastly because Americans are typically so unaware of where their food comes from or how, there's this to be concerned with. https://www.inlander.com/spokane/far...t?oid=22868670