[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Really? They seem to be doing some great work.

Florida Officials Drain Lake Full Of 'Toilet' Water To Coast | ThinkProgress

That's cute you ignore that any problems you're citing are because of the GOVERNMENT and the Corps intervention decades ago and ongoing.

Also cute you're ignoring the predicted brilliant failure of Amendment 1.

But if you feel better, that's cool.

How much of my tax dollars will you be happy with? Throw a number out there. What percentage of tax on my income and assets do you want - how much for Federal and how much for the State. SPECIFICALLY.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by HotandHumid

Why haven't the citizens of Florida taken it into their own hands by passing an amendment to the state constitution to protect their drinking water and preserve state funds that could be used for better purposes, as other more ecologically progressive states that depend on tourism and ground water for drinking water have done, that requires that beverage containers have a deposit put on them to facilitate their return to stores where those recyclable beverage containers would then be taken from to recycling facilities instead of ending up littering our landscape, thrown in our water ways and helping to fill up landfills and creating the need to create even more toxin leaching landfills?

Dude. That's one long sentence.

What happened to Amendment One? Are we pretending it hasn't been a predictable giant failure?

And what are you saying? That the state of FLORIDA can unilaterally create some specific demand on the international bottling industry?

LOL the corrupt politicians in DC just passed a bill allowing country of origin for our food to be hidden from Americans.

BTW we have recycling here. So what's your point? You want to PENALIZE usage, that's what. You're simply proposing a surcharge because you KNOW people won't even entertain that inconvenience especially when WE ALREADY RECYCLE.

Any other areas of my life you'd like to interfere with? How about my disposable plates and utensils? Coffee cups? Dixie Cups? Straws? Slurpee cups? Plastic condiment bottles/jars like mustard/ketchup/bbq sauce. What bout the prepared fruit and salad in Publix? Styrofoam trays under your meats? Uncle Ben's microwave rice packets? Aluminum Foil? Plastic Wraps/Wax Paper? Plastic bottles for milk, juices, soda, and all other beverages? What about cans? What about cleaning and laundry products? Wanna make all that illegal?

How about diapers? Do we get recycle centers for them too? Or just make them illegal?

BTW YOU Progressives made our light bulbs ILLEGAL and replaced them with other ones that are WORSE for the environment. But you fell for the B.S by Obama's corrupt Jeff Immelt, General Electric CEO crony. Talk about a windfall scam.

Pretty soon we'll all need recycling containers attached to our vehicles so we can spend all day driving around in circles if the Progressive Life Tweakers have their way.

Another alternative would be going back to the 1950s or earlier when none of this stuff existed. I'd be fine with that, too.

Which, BTW is why your great grandmother was a "HOUSEWIFE" not an office worker because SOMEONE had to OPERATE the HOME. Go to the farm, pick out the chicken, have them kill it, bring it home and pluck and prepare it. Turn tomatoes into tomato sauce. Turn apples into applesauce. Wash clothing by hand or hand crank with Fels Naptha bar soap. Hang laundry no dryer. IRON. Nurse babies. You know. Back in the day when someone actually RAISED the kids instead of dumping into daycare.

SOMEDAY, Progressives will understand that BIG GOVERNMENT is the scourge of the Earth. And things like "bottled products" are targeted to consumerism, fully supported BY BIG GOVERNMENT which is the HEART of BIG GLOBALISM, and actually the ONLY ISSUE that anyone should be voting on this November.

You don't ACTUALLY think that Washington DC gives a crap, do you? They just want your money. As they continue to invent and create new reasons to get more, and more, and more, and more control over everything you do. It's an amazing skill - being able to get voters to PAY corrupt politicians to exert power over their lives and destroy their individual freedoms.

[Spring Hillian]

Originally Posted by kokonutty

To whom?

No, To what.

[kyle19125]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

That's cute you ignore that any problems you're citing are because of the GOVERNMENT and the Corps intervention decades ago and ongoing.

Also cute you're ignoring the predicted brilliant failure of Amendment 1.

But if you feel better, that's cool.

How much of my tax dollars will you be happy with? Throw a number out there. What percentage of tax on my income and assets do you want - how much for Federal and how much for the State. SPECIFICALLY.

Why in the world would we levy taxes against those not primarily behind the problem (i.e. individuals)? Businesses responsible are the ones who should have taxes levied, especially considering they're msot likely along with other major US corporations not paying the proper amount of federal taxes they're responsible for. Seriously people...think logically for a minute if at all possible.

[Restrain]

Businesses don't pay taxes. Every tax they are charged are passed through to the end consumer. You add 50% in taxes to the evil electric company, your light bill goes up 50% plus an additional amount to cover the additional bookkeeping.

Why don't people realize that they pay every bloomin' tax, not the business, not the evil CEO. The CONSUMER!

[chopchop0]

Originally Posted by Restrain

Businesses don't pay taxes. Every tax they are charged are passed through to the end consumer. You add 50% in taxes to the evil electric company, your light bill goes up 50% plus an additional amount to cover the additional bookkeeping.

Why don't people realize that they pay every bloomin' tax, not the business, not the evil CEO. The CONSUMER!

So true.

Here is a perfect example

FPL franchise fee is paid by Fort Lauderdale residents - Sun Sentinel

[Travelassie]

Originally Posted by kyle19125

Really? They seem to be doing some great work.

Florida Officials Drain Lake Full Of 'Toilet' Water To Coast | ThinkProgress

Apparently in your zeal to slam all things Florida, including the politicians, you missed the fact (or ignored it, perhaps), that the decisions to dump Lake Okeechobee water down the Caloosahatchee and St. Lucie rivers are those of the Army Corp of Engineers, ie, a federal agency. They choose to continue dumping that water in lieu of spending the money to fix the levees around the lake, and have ignored pleas from local and state politicians as well as the populace to slow down the dumping, divert the water elsewhere. And apparently the evidence presented to the Army Corp of Engineers of the damage done to the estuaries on both the Gulf and Atlantic sides of the state, and to their wildlife residents, resulting from the flow of polluted water, falls on deaf ears.

http://www.naplesnews.com/news/envir...369352441.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...e19971357.html

[kyle19125]

Yup no problem here, keep that head stuck in the sand..

Satellite Shows Florida Polluted Water Reaching Georgia | Sport Fishing Magazine

[beachmouse]

Amendment One is still a work in progress- the state legislature tried to use almost all of it to pay for state park operating expenses, environmental groups sued to force the state to use a high percentage of the funds raised on land acquisition as intended, and they're still working on how to divide the pot up.

At least so far, Gov. Scott's attempts to sell off state conservation land, including some deemed critical for both wildlife habitat and maintenance of safe drinking water, to the highest bidder so it can be properly paved over have been blocked to this point. (And remember him trying to put concession golf courses run by outside for-profit businesses on state park land?)

[seain dublin]

Originally Posted by Travelassie

Apparently in your zeal to slam all things Florida, including the politicians, you missed the fact (or ignored it, perhaps), that the decisions to dump Lake Okeechobee water down the Caloosahatchee and St. Lucie rivers are those of the Army Corp of Engineers, ie, a federal agency. They choose to continue dumping that water in lieu of spending the money to fix the levees around the lake, and have ignored pleas from local and state politicians as well as the populace to slow down the dumping, divert the water elsewhere. And apparently the evidence presented to the Army Corp of Engineers of the damage done to the estuaries on both the Gulf and Atlantic sides of the state, and to their wildlife residents, resulting from the flow of polluted water, falls on deaf ears.

Army Corps: Slowing Lake Okeechobee discharges not

Lake O water threatens to pollute rivers and drown endangered birds | Miami Herald

And how is that working out?

How come other state governors can stand up to the federal govt. but the space alien can't?