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Old 01-20-2024, 11:37 AM
 
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With the debt higher than the money in circulation the US government can never pay off the debt.

Also Let's pretend the government debt is $33 trillion and the money in circulation is $1 trillion.

The government collects taxes and pays off $500 billion. Who got the $500 billion?
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Old 01-20-2024, 12:41 PM
 
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With the debt higher than the money in circulation the US government can never pay off the debt.

Also Let's pretend the government debt is $33 trillion and the money in circulation is $1 trillion.

The government collects taxes and pays off $500 billion. Who got the $500 billion?
Those owners of US debt paper that decided to cash in. But no one is asking for the federal debt to be paid off.
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Old 01-21-2024, 12:46 AM
 
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With the debt higher than the money in circulation the US government can never pay off the debt.
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...no one is asking for the federal debt to be paid off.
But if the National Debt, and/or to whatever degree anything about really reducing that never higher debt load burdening our grandchildren,
such funds DO NOT and WILL NOT and NEVER HAVE ever come from the US Government.
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Old 01-21-2024, 07:50 AM
 
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But if the National Debt, and/or to whatever degree anything about really reducing that never higher debt load burdening our grandchildren,
such funds DO NOT and WILL NOT and NEVER HAVE ever come from the US Government.
What USD was not federal government or Fed issued?
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Old 01-21-2024, 09:23 AM
 
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With the debt higher than the money in circulation the US government can never pay off the debt.

Also Let's pretend the government debt is $33 trillion and the money in circulation is $1 trillion.

The government collects taxes and pays off $500 billion. Who got the $500 billion?
The intention is to never fully pay off the debt, and the US doesn't have to and probably should never even try. A national debt allows fiscal flexibility. As Alexander Hamilton said "A national debt, if it is not excessive, to us will be a national blessing." The key term is "excessive", and I think we all agree that today it is.
My point here is you should rephrase your question: The national debt should be reduced, not paid off.

Anyways, who gets the $500 billion? The national debt is funded mostly by treasury securities (although they have other options including, as you said, tax revenue) so obviously investors would get it. In turn most of these funds would be reinvested into new or existing treasury bonds, or alternative investments. This of course happens all the time. The fed just issues new treasuries. So again, you should rephrase your question to address what would happen if no new treasuries are issued, or the impact of a when a debt ceiling is reached.
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Old 01-21-2024, 09:25 AM
 
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actually when you add up the value of everything in this country vs the debt , the ratio would still qualify for a loan.

total us value is estimated at 140-225 trillion with a us debt of 34 trillion or so
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Old 01-21-2024, 10:21 AM
 
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actually when you add up the value of everything in this country vs the debt , the ratio would still qualify for a loan.

total us value is estimated at 140-225 trillion with a us debt of 34 trillion or so
How can that be if the debt is higher than the money in circulation?
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Old 01-21-2024, 10:45 AM
 
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that is the value of this country and everything in it
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Old 01-21-2024, 02:02 PM
 
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How can that be if the debt is higher than the money in circulation?
Because it is not a reality. No one will actually propose to do it. In some respects like trying to mine a $Quadrillion worth of PM off some asteroid.
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Old 01-21-2024, 07:27 PM
 
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actually when you add up the value of everything in this country vs the debt , the ratio would still qualify for a loan.

total us value is estimated at 140-225 trillion with a us debt of 34 trillion or so

Some argue the unfunded liabilities (entitlements) are the equivalent of total US assets now-ish.
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