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Just a thought ~ In the wild, dogs don't eat grain. They are created to eat meat. My German Shepherd suffered a lot of terrible problems because there were grains in his food. Eventually he died. You never want to think it's all about money but it is ~ generally speaking, the people who make dogfood, the veterinary industry, veterinary pharmaceuticals.
That thought is Wrong. When the wild K-9 brings down a deer 1st thing that goes into their belly is the Deer Stomach and ALL the Grain they eaten.
It is a long-held belief, that Wolves eat the stomach contents of their prey and this forms the basis of some popular feeding programs for the modern dog BUT Wolves by default do not eat the stomach contents, they generally eat the stomach lining but not the contents - they (by default) do not do this in the wild or in a sanctuary environment.
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WOLVES IN THE WILD
❝The rump of the prey animal, which is the usual point of attack, is often the first part eaten......The next part of the carcass to be eaten are the heart, lungs, liver and all other viscera except Stomach Contents❞.
Lucyan David "Dave" Mech, PhD
American Wolf Expert
Researched wolves since 1958 in places such as Minnesota, Ellesmere Island, Canada, Italy, Alaska, Yellowstone National Park, and on Isle Royale.
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WOLVES IN CAPTIVITY
Wolf Haven International Sanctuary stated:
❝Wolves typically will not consume the stomach contents of their prey (except in cases of smaller prey that they consume very quickly such as rabbits or mice). However, they will eat the lining around the stomach and in captivity, we have observed them rolling on the stomach contents.❞
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Wild Spirit Wolf Sanctuary stated:
❝No, wolves do not appear to eat the stomach contents (or rumen) of its kills. In general, wolves leave the rumen behind; it is actually how many hunters tell a wolf kill apart from a bear kill. Wolves leave behind the rumen and bears do not, because bears are true omnivores, whereas wolves can be omnivorous—but that is not their default state. With that said, wolves have been known to eat berries, grapes and other fruits from vineyards and from the wild. Wolves have also been known to eat cigarette butts, garbage, and a lot of other crazy things. So to say that no wolf alive has ever eaten rumen may be a stretch if we take extreme conditions and worldwide wolf population across thousands of years into account. Of course, if the kill is small and they eat the whole animal, then yes, they will eat the stomach contents❞.
It's a perpetuated myth. Domesticated dogs are mainly carnivores with an adaptive diet due to the cohabitation with humans for thousands of years.
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It's a perpetuated myth. Domesticated dogs are mainly carnivores with an adaptive diet due to the cohabitation with humans for thousands of years.
Wolves don't eat rumen but that isn't "stomach contents" as most humans understand it. Only ruminant animals (cows, sheep, deer, bison, and goats etc) have rumen and wolves don't eat it likely because it's acidic (it doesn't taste good) and it's still in a form that has no nutritional value to the wolves. A ruminant stomach is like a big bio-reactor where plant matter is broken down by fermentation. Wolves are an apex predator and will leave behind stuff they don't want to eat, but if they are starving they will eat everything including the hides, leaving behind only the bones that are too large to chew up. Wolves still eat the grains etc from ruminants because they eat their feces. Having passed through the digestive system of the ruminant (usually twice) the grains are processed into a form they can extract nutrients from. Grains added to commercial dog food are also processed, just not through a ruminant. Non-ruminant animals (rabbits, lemmings, rodents, etc) wolves do eat the stomach contents. Interestingly, wolves only eat feces that are fresh (like practically steaming), and there are studies that indicate that is an adaptation to avoid getting parasites... not just that they enjoy a hot meal.
Smaller canines, like foxes and coyotes, almost exclusively eat non-ruminants and almost always consume the stomach contents.
So to say that "wolves eat the stomach contents" is a partially true statement. Sometimes the contents have already been crapped out, or they are consuming a non-ruminant animal in which case they eat it. To say that wolves "never eat grains" is not accurate.
The statement that "Domesticated dogs are mainly carnivores with an adaptive diet due to the cohabitation with humans for thousands of years" is probably accurate. Dog food wasn't invented until the 1800s and prior to that they just ate whatever they could forage and whatever scraps we gave them, which was heavy in non-carnivore options. So while people can debate whether or not wolves eat grains is irrelevant, most domesticated dog breeds have for thousands of years, and they should probably be considered a carnivore-leaning omnivore by this point, with the unusual evolutionary footnote that the non-carnivore options have to be harvested/prepared and fed by the companion species homo sapiens. Trying to shove a strictly carnivore diet into a dog probably isn't healthy unless one is sourcing steaming piles of feces, whole rabbits, lemmings, meat heavy with organs, etc for them. They aren't wolves anymore.
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Wolves don't eat rumen but that isn't "stomach contents" as most humans understand it. Only ruminant animals (cows, sheep, deer, bison, and goats etc) have rumen and wolves don't eat it likely because it's acidic (it doesn't taste good) and it's still in a form that has no nutritional value to the wolves. A ruminant stomach is like a big bio-reactor where plant matter is broken down by fermentation. Wolves are an apex predator and will leave behind stuff they don't want to eat, but if they are starving they will eat everything including the hides, leaving behind only the bones that are too large to chew up. Wolves still eat the grains etc from ruminants because they eat their feces. Having passed through the digestive system of the ruminant (usually twice) the grains are processed into a form they can extract nutrients from. Grains added to commercial dog food are also processed, just not through a ruminant. Non-ruminant animals (rabbits, lemmings, rodents, etc) wolves do eat the stomach contents. Interestingly, wolves only eat feces that are fresh (like practically steaming), and there are studies that indicate that is an adaptation to avoid getting parasites... not just that they enjoy a hot meal.
Smaller canines, like foxes and coyotes, almost exclusively eat non-ruminants and almost always consume the stomach contents.
So to say that "wolves eat the stomach contents" is a partially true statement. Sometimes the contents have already been crapped out, or they are consuming a non-ruminant animal in which case they eat it. To say that wolves "never eat grains" is not accurate.
The statement that "Domesticated dogs are mainly carnivores with an adaptive diet due to the cohabitation with humans for thousands of years" is probably accurate. Dog food wasn't invented until the 1800s and prior to that they just ate whatever they could forage and whatever scraps we gave them, which was heavy in non-carnivore options. So while people can debate whether or not wolves eat grains is irrelevant, most domesticated dog breeds have for thousands of years, and they should probably be considered a carnivore-leaning omnivore by this point, with the unusual evolutionary footnote that the non-carnivore options have to be harvested/prepared and fed by the companion species homo sapiens. Trying to shove a strictly carnivore diet into a dog probably isn't healthy unless one is sourcing steaming piles of feces, whole rabbits, lemmings, meat heavy with organs, etc for them. They aren't wolves anymore.
I know wolves eat their own poop especially if it's in their den. It's a protective measure for the pack to eliminate the potential for parasites. I am unaware of wolves eating other species poop. I can ask my daughter- she has been studying the Yellowstone ecosystem and has met and learned from the parks preeminent wolf biologist Doug Smith.
Ok, wild feeding and wolves aside, this statement is 100% true:
"Domesticated dogs are mainly carnivores with an adaptive diet due to the cohabitation with humans for thousands of years".
They don't need to eat the forage found in cities trash heaps and scraps thrown out the front or back doors. Domesticated dogs eat what we feed them from the store, and some have digestive issues, just like some humans do. Just like humans, there are a myriad of reasons that cause this from colitis, pancreatitis, and food sensitivities. Some dogs are helped by adding probiotics, some are helped by doing an elimination diet and slowly re-feeding to see what triggers the issues, some are helped by having a GI specialist review their case and do some diagnostic imaging to see what the GI tract looks like. The diarrhea can sometimes tell them if it appears to be a small intestine or large intestine issue, which is helpful.
There are a lot of options to treat dogs. But first, talk to your vet, simplify the diet, and figure if there are some things you can add that settles the stomach/intestine so that the feedback loop of eating = pain, discomfort, so he doesn't want to eat anything you put in front of him.
Agree that dogs do not need treats. They are one of the largest sources of overweight dogs, dogs love being treated, and it's a carryover from treating when training them to do tricks or go potty outside. For my picky dog, I would wait to train him around meal time, and use kibble as the treats.
TL;DR - simplify the diet. Remove stuff and see if the appetite returns. See if there is a GI specialist available to take your Corgi too. Good luck!
I know wolves eat their own poop especially if it's in their den. It's a protective measure for the pack to eliminate the potential for parasites. I am unaware of wolves eating other species poop. I can ask my daughter- she has been studying the Yellowstone ecosystem and has met and learned from the parks preeminent wolf biologist Doug Smith.
Wolves are a relatively new (re)addition to the Yellowstone ecosystem. Definitive answers to any wolf-related questions should probably be posed to people who have been studying them in places where they were never eradicated by humans and have thousands (or at least hundreds) of years of a real ecosystem. I don't think Yellowstone will ever be that place, considering it's a national park set aside for humans and surrounded by ranches.
Buy a food designated for dogs with sensitive stomachs. Petsmart sells Authority brand salmon and sweet potato kibble for sensitive stomach.
Also consider giving a probiotic. I give Total-Biotics , available on Amazon.
Kibble exacerbates health issues, it doesn't help them.
I don't know why people can't be bothered with researching and feeding a species-appropriate diet.
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