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Old Yesterday, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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China can not compete with US auto manufacturers for ICE cars. They certainly can and will compete with cheaply made disposable electric vehicles. With American auto unions driving up the price of new cars for consumers, government push for electric vehicles, and Chinese controlling battery minerals in both Africa and China, you can bet that most new cars will continue to be more unaffordable in the future. My solution is to eliminate many regulations which prohibit a cost effective and fuel efficient ICE and battery powered vehicles to be produced. Also, the unions need to he shaken up. Unfortunately GM, Ford, Chrysler will all become extinct in less than 20 years.
Chinese EVs are not disposable. Chinese electric vehicles from makers like BYD aren't just cheap — they're also good.

https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...-drive-review/
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Old Yesterday, 07:51 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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We are at war with China only it's not being fought with guns
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Old Yesterday, 10:37 PM
 
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Guess you never saw China’s Electric Car graveyard.

How can they be such great and wonderful cars, when they cannot even sell them in their own country?




Graveyards like this say otherwise. It's not just graveyards piled up with EVs, China has many other graveyards with other mass produced crap that no one wants.
You best get edumacated on the circumstances around this particular EV "graveyard". Hint: it's not because they don't sell.
But you go on and keep believing the MSM lies like the suckers they want us to be.
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Old Yesterday, 10:38 PM
 
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You would drive a $12k Chinese EV? Besides, by the time it meets all U.S. safety standards it will be $36k.
US safety standards aren't that much tougher than EU ones and they already sell in the EU.
That figure is pulled out of your _____.
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Old Yesterday, 10:43 PM
 
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Made in china means it's low grade crap, slapped together with the cheapest materials and workmanship, to last the consumer only long enough, so that to return it would become to expensive, time consuming and too much of a hassle, that the consumer would rather not deal with it, and just buy new.

The common Chinese manufacturing industry model is to steal ideas and and intellectual property where you can steal, substitute the cheapest materials, and cut corners on assembly and construction where possible and still get the product to work for at least a few hours.

This article was written in 2010, nothing has changed.

Made in China = Piece of Junk

In 2024: U.S. working to counter cheap Chinese exports

So if it's such a piece of crap that no one wants, then why is Biden so afraid of allowing them to be sold here? Surely the intelligent American could see through the "low grade crap, slapped together with cheap materials and workmanship" and reject it.


https://insideevs.com/features/71901...ahead-of-west/
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Old Yesterday, 10:50 PM
 
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Anyone that approves of allowing $12,000 Chinese cars to be sold here, is also okay with Chinese workers making $1.93/hr on the low end to $4.27 on the high end...slave labor rates.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...ns-2023-09-05/

Our UAW workers make $21.49/hr on average, but some of those jobs will vanish if $12,000 Chinese EV's are sold here.

Aside from China's lower cost of labor, they also have a lot of Rare Earth Minerals (REM's) needed to make today's EV's, whereas the U.S. mines almost none (we have tons of them though), and refines even less (but we could).

U.S. auto makers buy most of their batteries from China, or Chinese companies operating in the U.S.. Michigan has a massive CCP battery plant under construction to make EV batteries for the American market.

So why is Joe doing this now? Votes & kickbacks are what motivates Joe Biden, so there's your answer. It's probably another quid pro quo shakedown. Soon, the CCP will cave in & payoff Joe, then Joe will soften his tarriff to limit only Chinese EV's that sell for <$12,000/ea. or >$250,000/ea.. In other words, no more tarriffs on Chinese EV's.

Mostly agreed with this post, although you cannot compare wages there to our overpaid here.
Firstly, their wages are more than adequate for their lower cost of living. They're not suffering from high inflation and CoL like we are here.

Secondly, there is so much automation in their car factories which dramatically drives down the price of manufacturing.


We simply cannot compete based on price and will need protectionist measures to keep our industries afloat.


Biden is doing this now because he knows he's losing in the polls and thinks that being tougher on China can turn the tide.


The correct thing for him (or the next president) to do is not to ban or tariff Chinese automakers, but instead to force them to build factories here if they want to sell cars in our market.
If we fail to do so, the rest of the world will enjoy lower priced, more advanced EVs than us.
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Old Yesterday, 10:53 PM
 
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^^^...for instance...China owns Lotus. I was looking at buying a Lotus until I learned it was CCP owned.

While researching the Lotus rear engine Emira model, I came across video's online pointing out the engineering goofs...

The engine is made by Toyota (turn off when trying to buy a Brit exotic), & is at the rear behind the cockpit.

The front "bonnet" should be like today's Covette, or 911, able to hold some cargo...but not the Lotus...no storage in the bonnet at all.

The only storage is in the rear behind the engine...like the Corvettte's rear "boot". Problem is, if the Lotus gets wet, & you raise the rear trunk, all the water falls into the trunk, & onto your stuff...like groceries.

I'm not buying any CCP car...not even the Volvo, which is a much better car than the Lotus.

disclaimer: I lived in Dearborn MI, home of Ford Motor Company, so I'm biased. I saw lots of men lose their jobs during the Japanese invasion, & things got very ugly in Dearborn...nightmarish...I'm still trying to forget the things I saw.
Lotus have been using Toyota engines for decades which has worked out very well for them in not having to dedicate R&D when they can outsource.
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Old Yesterday, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Teslas have been made in China since 2020 but no tariffs there. Why not?
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Old Today, 04:15 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Meanwhile all your repair car parts are either hecho in mexico or from China. Huge market there.

What chinese EVS?

So many loopholes as to be meaningless.

Countless more effective ways to level the playing field, biden admin is owned by China and playing to voters. Not serious about dealing with China.

The biden admin is all about collecting votes NOT directed to the benefit of our country.

If any country owns Biden personally, it is China, next in line Russia and Ukraine. they have the goods on biden.
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Old Today, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Lotus have been using Toyota engines for decades which has worked out very well for them in not having to dedicate R&D when they can outsource.
I can't get excited about buying a British exotic car that has a Japanese engine in it, but if it's working for them...

The Lotus looks sexy, but that's where the attraction stops for me.

The Italian Fiat roadster had a Japanese Miata engine in it, & that car is no longer being sold here.


Joe's motivation and timing has us all curious. What triggered this now? Our election? Our auto makers begging for EV help?
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