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Old 12-30-2022, 08:03 AM
 
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Given the history of New Mexico first being apart of Spanish empire and later Mexico I was wondering if there are any descendants of these Spanish conquistadores, meaning not the typical neomejicano mestizo but full blooded spaniards.

Also regarding the Hispano population are there much culture differences to a neomejicano, spaniard living in NM, tejano, californio, chicano, or recent latino migrant?
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Old 12-30-2022, 08:13 AM
 
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Keep in mind, many of those Spaniards were not Spanish. Spain's power was in reality a Euro melting pot of participants. Germans, Italians, even some Irish, Scots etc....In that area I believe the Jesuits had more influence over time than the conquistadores.
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Old 12-30-2022, 08:22 AM
 
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I'll also add that the conquistadores reported to Spain there were two native tribes in the southwest that they did not want to tangle with, and that was the Comanche and Apache. They were "war like". I'm not sure if those two tribes were located in New Mexico or not. Conquistadores main motive was gold and silver, and perhaps saw little potential in that area. On the other hand, conversion was the other motive, in which the Jesuits saw a future, and in fact became prosperous in cattle and horses.
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Old 12-31-2022, 10:06 AM
 
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Given the history of New Mexico first being apart of Spanish empire and later Mexico I was wondering if there are any descendants of these Spanish conquistadores, meaning not the typical neomejicano mestizo but full blooded spaniards.

Also regarding the Hispano population are there much culture differences to a neomejicano, spaniard living in NM, tejano, californio, chicano, or recent latino migrant?
Yes, there are descendants of the conquistadors, but all these generations later they are no longer pure Spanish, they have been mixed with Native populations from the beginning. How else could they make babies?

And yes, there are regional differences from California to Texas as you would expect regional differences anywhere in the world.
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Old 12-31-2022, 11:31 AM
 
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Yes, there are descendants of the conquistadors, but all these generations later they are no longer pure Spanish, they have been mixed with Native populations from the beginning. How else could they make babies?

And yes, there are regional differences from California to Texas as you would expect regional differences anywhere in the world.
All over Latin America there are pockets of Spaniards who belong to the upper class, they may not say they are Spaniards now but they skin color definitely is. Whitexicans are a common group, generally descendants of refugees who fled the Spanish civil war.

They are usually part of the upper echelons of society and it made me wonder if those who settled in Santa Fe and other parts of NM during the Spanish empire / Mexico


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGgQxBeRQDU

This is a documentary series about Spanish people living in NM but they are expats / immigrants.
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Old 12-31-2022, 02:17 PM
 
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Anthony Bourdain's series Parts Unknown aired an episode in 2013 filmed in New Mexico. Part of this episode dug into the topic of people of original Spanish heritage and their "old world" Spanish that is still spoken by a relatively small number. I don't recall the exact location but it was on a ranch in rural northern NM. It was probably one of his better episodes that were filmed in the USA.
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Old 12-31-2022, 05:38 PM
 
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OMG I'm going to look up that Parts Unknown episode. That should be fascinating.

As for the original question, I agree with aries63. Lots of inter marriage and breeding between the Spaniards and Native Americans.

unemployed_developer, that's interesting.
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Old 12-31-2022, 07:16 PM
 
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Yes, "vacas y ovnis" pretty much sums it up (looking at the video). After the conquistadors found mud huts here instead of cities of gold, they lost interest in New Mexico. This was a remote outpost of the empire and few Spaniards would venture this far from civilization.

But it's not just Spanish people. With the conquistadors came horses, cattle, goats and sheep, and their descendants are still here also, and arguably are more Spanish than the people.

https://www.richardbealblog.com/new-...tock-heritage/

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Old 12-31-2022, 09:26 PM
 
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Given the history of New Mexico first being apart of Spanish empire and later Mexico I was wondering if there are any descendants of these Spanish conquistadores, meaning not the typical neomejicano mestizo but full blooded spaniards.

Also regarding the Hispano population are there much culture differences to a neomejicano, spaniard living in NM, tejano, californio, chicano, or recent latino migrant?
Yes, there are plenty. Some still manage the large properties they received as land grants. Others live in their ancestral home in the hills on the east side of Santa Fe. Some live in Albuquerque. Every year they organize a re-enactment of the conquistadors' arrival in Santa Fe. They're hard to miss.
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Old 12-31-2022, 09:37 PM
 
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Yes, there are descendants of the conquistadors, but all these generations later they are no longer pure Spanish, they have been mixed with Native populations from the beginning. How else could they make babies?

And yes, there are regional differences from California to Texas as you would expect regional differences anywhere in the world.
No, they haven't. The ones in a high leadership capacity have maintained their European bloodline. That's the whole point of organizing quinceanera debuts for their daughters; to present them to "society", which means--the appropriate class of people. It took years, decades for the Spanish to get established in New Mexico, and they did so only after having to make several retreats back south, due to starvation, harassment by the Native peoples, illness, and other difficulties.
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