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Old 08-19-2021, 04:31 AM
 
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This is a dumb article.

They're comparing how much work you THOUGHT you did at first vs. what you did after REALLY thinking about it. And based that on what employer's expect.



Me thinks if you did that with office workers... you'll get the same results in that they work less than they think.
The numbers may differ. Just because you're actually sitting at a desk doesn't mean you're working.

Finally - time spent ≠ actual work.

This really comes down to how you define work. For many jobs - it's has little to do with how much time you spent but what you actually produced. What is also rarely considered is the "quality" of that work when time is equal. Some people can get more done in an hour at home vs. at work (or vice versa).
That was my thought exactly.

Every office environment I've ever been in involves coworkers stopping by for nonsense, break room gatherings, people taking care of personal business during work time (answering texts, ordering from Amazon, etc.)

Strangely enough, often the people who get the least done are the ones who think they are the hardest working.
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Old 08-19-2021, 04:35 AM
 
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After being remote for almost a year and a half, I'd be hard-pressed to go back to the office. The "yardstick" approach is the needless, unhelpful approach of most of corporate America.
Agree. Assuming we go back, my bosses are going to lose a lot of productivity.

During the pandemic I have had little need to take leave time (because I can get things done during the workday) and my workload has quadrupled but I can keep up with it because I gain 3 hours (to and from) in usual lost commuting time.

There is of course a real spotlight shown on the fact that we don't need managers because, they simply haven't been able to manage for a year and a half and we seem to be doing better than ever.
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Old 08-19-2021, 11:37 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Agree. Assuming we go back, my bosses are going to lose a lot of productivity.

During the pandemic I have had little need to take leave time (because I can get things done during the workday) and my workload has quadrupled but I can keep up with it because I gain 3 hours (to and from) in usual lost commuting time.

There is of course a real spotlight shown on the fact that we don't need managers because, they simply haven't been able to manage for a year and a half and we seem to be doing better than ever.
We just hired someone. I was in the office the first two days of the week training him.

We have one guy who has been coming in the office. He was arguing over a medical bill in the office loudly. Stuff like that is needless and distracting as hell in an office setting. I don't miss it.
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Old 08-19-2021, 11:45 AM
 
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We just hired someone. I was in the office the first two days of the week training him.
Why didn't you train him virtually or have him watch YouTube videos?
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Old 08-19-2021, 02:01 PM
 
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Why didn't you train him virtually or have him watch YouTube videos?
So he could stand over his shoulder, breathing down his neck, and putting fingerprint smudges on his monitor where he is pointing out where to navigate on the screen. Rumor has it they embraced in a hug afterwards. That's how true business gets done.

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Old 08-19-2021, 03:26 PM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Why didn't you train him virtually or have him watch YouTube videos?
My opinion is that virtual training sucks. It's much easier to do it in person. It also doesn't hurt to meet your colleagues.
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Old 08-19-2021, 09:25 PM
 
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I can't live life like that since I dont have the discipline to get up early and go workout or to the gym etc. Going to work and getting sweaty while working on the computer back and forth IS my workout. I see alot of these remote people getting extremely unhealthy and overweight as well. The human body just isn't meant to be sitting in your room all day and on a computer. Its probably the WORST Thing for you long term. Sedentary lifestyles. Im sure WFH has its perks but I wouldn't want to do it
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:06 PM
 
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I can't live life like that since I dont have the discipline to get up early and go workout or to the gym etc. Going to work and getting sweaty while working on the computer back and forth IS my workout. I see alot of these remote people getting extremely unhealthy and overweight as well. The human body just isn't meant to be sitting in your room all day and on a computer. Its probably the WORST Thing for you long term. Sedentary lifestyles. Im sure WFH has its perks but I wouldn't want to do it
There's ways to handle sedentary lifestyles if you have discipline. HOWEVER, you're absolutely correct about sitting for extended periods of time and how unhealthy it is (for your bones, spine, joints, heart, etc). We're meant to be on our feet walking around majority of the time.
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:26 PM
 
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My opinion is that virtual training sucks. It's much easier to do it in person. It also doesn't hurt to meet your colleagues.
Do you think that youtube videos can be as effective as in person learning?
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Old 08-19-2021, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I've got it pretty good. I'm in commercial finance so I have a production side as well as a client service side. It's pretty obvious if I'm doing my work or not. I was already telecommuting 2 days a week prior to the pandemic for years, so my home office and 'routine' was established.

Collectively our office is talking about 1 day a week or every other week 'together' but at a more modest and smaller office in a place with a communal conference area. That's not even a big deal because a lot of my meetings are on the road at client sites.

It will be nice to be back in the rig and hitting the road a little more frequently. I miss travelling all over this awesome state.
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