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I am a legal immigrant. What I want is that illegal immigrants are treated by following the law
to the letter. No more handouts. That is the problem.
Yes, I think it's terrible for legal immigrants who came here through all the costly process and find out they're competing for jobs against illegals who are here on temporary visas.
Say a starting skilled job for accounting, IT, medical, or financial analysis that a typical American or legal alien would be making $65k or above today. Now the companies are allowing foreign workers with temporary visas to compete for the jobs. The rates dipped to $45-50k, this is what's hurting college grads today who have 4 year degrees and a 6 figure debt seeing starting salaries flat at $40k or less at some places because companies are rushing to pickup foreigners on temp visas. Yes, they do pay income taxes but with the exchange rates they are still better off with USD.
We need government to close the exploitation of the guest worker visa program.
By job has never has been nor will it ever be affected by illegal immigrants in the slightest. However I have a lot of competition from foreign workers here legally on work visas. They are the ones, for OP, who are already coming across the border with Masters degrees (and doctorates in the case of P.T.) and it's American companies bringing them here.
The majority of people are never going to have to compete with illegal immigrants for their job unless that job involves cleaning toilets or picking blueberries.
By job has never has been nor will it ever be affected by illegal immigrants in the slightest. However I have a lot of competition from foreign workers here legally on work visas. They are the ones, for OP, who are already coming across the border with Masters degrees (and doctorates in the case of P.T.) and it's American companies bringing them here.
The majority of people are never going to have to compete with illegal immigrants for their job unless that job involves cleaning toilets or picking blueberries.
Did you see what I posted earlier? Illegals are going to COLLEGES via in-state tuition and all that stuff. Companies often don't give a rat's fart about hiring them. Heck, they can probably get a cheaper rate than for Americans. Once they have those fancy pieces of paper, they WILL be competing with you for jobs.
Also, at least 40% of those here illegally overstay their visas and don't leave. That could be higher level jobs as well, not just the grape pickers.
Did you see what I posted earlier? Illegals are going to COLLEGES via in-state tuition and all that stuff. Companies often don't give a rat's fart about hiring them. Heck, they can probably get a cheaper rate than for Americans. Once they have those fancy pieces of paper, they WILL be competing with you for jobs.
Also, at least 40% of those here illegally overstay their visas and don't leave. That could be higher level jobs as well, not just the grape pickers.
I don't see this as a threat. Companies are already getting all the college-educated foreign labor they need through the visa program. The number of illegal immigrants going to college and graduating in high paying careers is miniscule, especially when compared to the millions of legal visa workers here. It is mainly the children of illegals who ARE American citizens by birthright, who attend. Also getting a degree does not make it legal to hire illegal workers, so I do not think they are actually the competition you fear for corporate jobs.
IMO if people are going to live here, I'd rather them be educated and be part of society, including paying taxes. To me it's better than welfare. The visa workers don't even pay social security or medicare taxes, therefore their employers save money hiring them versus American workers because they do not have to pay those taxes for that employee, either.
Did you see what I posted earlier? Illegals are going to COLLEGES via in-state tuition and all that stuff. Companies often don't give a rat's fart about hiring them. Heck, they can probably get a cheaper rate than for Americans. Once they have those fancy pieces of paper, they WILL be competing with you for jobs.
Also, at least 40% of those here illegally overstay their visas and don't leave. That could be higher level jobs as well, not just the grape pickers.
Not true. Companies cannot legally hire illegal immigrants. Ever hear of E-Verify? Of course, some small, independent companies may hire illegally. Major employers won't take a stupid risk.
But I'm not a parent of a teenager who can't find a job nor an elderly person trying to get a part time low skill job. Nor am I a roofer, plumber or computer scientist with 20 years experience being outbid by someone with an ITIN and no lawful status, or an H1B visa with a couple of programming certifications given to me by the parent company in India or China where I was last a secretary.
I have no objection to bringing in low wage or low skilled workers, or H1Bs. Provided that the job offer first goes to an unemployed/underemployed permanent resident or citizen.
^The entire world is global. We can't put that horse back into the barn. Whether people physically come to the US or work is sent offshore, it's just a part of life now. We have to learn to adapt to new realities.
I don't see this as a threat. Companies are already getting all the college-educated foreign labor they need through the visa program.
Great, they are already making it difficult for us, many of us (though admittedly not me, though I think I'm one of the lucky ones) go tens of thousands into debt to compete for the lower level jobs (where illegals go sometimes, and I can prove this due to all the construction companies, retail outlets, and restaurants pushing for Amnesty for illegals.) due to H1B's challenging us on the higher levels. And now you're ok with illegals challenging us on the higher levels because the H1Bs are doing it first? Is that what you're saying?
And let's not forget the outsourcing/offshoring too. That still hasn't stopped.
BTW, there IS NO constitutional birthright citizenship for illegals. Even the courts haven't made a firm ruling on that. Thus, technically the children of illegals are also foreigners, NOT US residents.
But I'm not a parent of a teenager who can't find a job nor an elderly person trying to get a part time low skill job. Nor am I a roofer, plumber or computer scientist with 20 years experience being outbid by someone with an ITIN and no lawful status, or an H1B visa with a couple of programming certifications given to me by the parent company in India or China where I was last a secretary.
I have no objection to bringing in low wage or low skilled workers, or H1Bs. Provided that the job offer first goes to an unemployed/underemployed permanent resident or citizen.
You have seen what they did at Disney, right? They didn't give it to Americans first then. Also, what they often do online is post an absurd list of requirements and/or absurdly low pay for a job, then, when, understandably, few Americans can qualify, they say they "can't find enough talent" and go for H1Bs, illegals, etc.
If that still doesn't get through to you, then read this poem below:
First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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