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Old 05-05-2016, 06:48 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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New research reveals sun benefits that AREN'T linked to vitamin D | Daily Mail Online

I know DM not the best, but the study was still done.

Hmm, my Grandma is older than 95 and spend her entire life outside in the sun.
That's all well and good, but ultimately, any benefits derived from sunshine will only be felt if you're healthy anyway. The Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world, despite the relatively gloomy climate - and that's largely down to their fish-based diet. Swedes live to 82 years on average compared to 79 for the US (which is, funnily enough, the lowest of all developed countries).

Other factors override sunshine. It's just not that important. Your typical Floridian might be exposed to a lot of sun on average, but considering they're usually fat, eat poorly and lead sedentary lifestyles (quite common in tropical climates for whatever reason), it's not going to make much difference.

 
Old 05-05-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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That's all well and good, but ultimately, any benefits derived from sunshine will only be felt if you're healthy anyway. The Japanese have the longest life expectancy in the world, despite the relatively gloomy climate - and that's largely down to their fish-based diet.
Yeah certainly, I know of lots of people who are not active whatsoever and they never go outside and are pale as A ghost.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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There was also a news story about how UK health guidelines say there's no safe way to suntan, and that it does correlate with increased risk of skin cancer as well as aesthetic issues such as leathery skin (people who excessively suntan in their youth usually look dreadful in middle age and older). So sun, like anything else, is good in moderation. I think healthy diets and exercise are more important, and this is why the Swedes and Norwegians live so long. I think the French and Italians live long because of their diet too - it's definitely better than our diet which has become overrun with processed food, sugar, fat etc, just like the Americans.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 07:31 PM
 
Location: New York
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I think the American diet has improved over the last decade or two, but still has a way to go. If this country were to ever put its citizens and their wellbeing first, we'd be in a much better position.
 
Old 05-05-2016, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Lexington, KY
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If I exercise regularly, how much harder will it be to become physically fit if my diet is mediocre?
 
Old 05-06-2016, 04:33 AM
 
Location: Finland
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New studies show that a traditional Nordic diet is as healthy the Mediterranean diet, as long as you cut down on the salt and replace hard butter with rapeseed and sunflower oil as much as possible.

Nordic eating habits top favoured Mediterranean diet

"Therefore, Kanerva and her team started researching if a suitable alternative could be the Nordic Diet, based on the Baltic Sea Diet Pyramid that scientists designed in 2011 to outline the healthier choices of Nordic people. This diet consists of foods grown in the Nordic countries, such as apples and berries, roots and cabbages, rye, oats and barley, low-fat milk products, rapeseed oil and fish. It is also low in red meat, processed meat products and alcohol."



But re the sun, melanoma is the fastest growing type of cancer in Finland.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Seoul
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Scandinavia seems like a tough place to live because of food. What do you do if you want spice? What do you do if you want fresh mango? I could never live in Scandinavia for that reason, when Im 60 years old I want to have a backyard full of mango and banana and passionfruit so you can have the fresh thing everyday
 
Old 05-06-2016, 05:18 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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New studies show that a traditional Nordic diet is as healthy the Mediterranean diet, as long as you cut down on the salt and replace hard butter with rapeseed and sunflower oil as much as possible.

Nordic eating habits top favoured Mediterranean diet

"Therefore, Kanerva and her team started researching if a suitable alternative could be the Nordic Diet, based on the Baltic Sea Diet Pyramid that scientists designed in 2011 to outline the healthier choices of Nordic people. This diet consists of foods grown in the Nordic countries, such as apples and berries, roots and cabbages, rye, oats and barley, low-fat milk products, rapeseed oil and fish. It is also low in red meat, processed meat products and alcohol."



But re the sun, melanoma is the fastest growing type of cancer in Finland.
It's most prevalent in Aus, which isn't surprising considering white people have far less melanin than darker-skinned people.

The only good thing about skin cancer, is that it's easily treated and has a 99% survival rate.
 
Old 05-06-2016, 05:25 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Scandinavia seems like a tough place to live because of food. What do you do if you want spice? What do you do if you want fresh mango? I could never live in Scandinavia for that reason, when Im 60 years old I want to have a backyard full of mango and banana and passionfruit so you can have the fresh thing everyday
Quite an odd question I think. It's not that we live off subsistence farming here, lol. The spices or mangos you buy in NYC in winter aren't any fresher than the ones you buy in our supermarkets.

If Finland is essentially self-sufficient in cannabis these days, you will probably find a way to grow mangos too. And in fact many do grow them.

Growing chilis in Finland: http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w...asvarilta2.jpg
 
Old 05-06-2016, 05:30 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Finland has had American-level murder rates and American-style prohibition. Seriously, it's an example of how the US has more cultural commonalities with northern Europe rather than Mediterranean Europe.
I forgot that I had a picture of the development of the murder rate. Here goes:



The civil war murder rate graph stops at 651 per 100,000. Note that all of these are non-combat murders.
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