11-12-2012, 06:38 PM
Location: Alger MI
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Hello all
My wife and I live in small town Michigan and we are more than ready to leave the state. I have it pretty much narrowed down to the east side of the state (just feels like it would be more up our alley). We both love to go fishing and take walks in the woods, just being outdoors in general. We've contemplated moving to Washington before, but same sex marriage hadn't passed yet and we really want to live somewhere we could be legally recognized. Also, we are ready to try to start a family, and second parent adoption isn't legal in our state. This is very important to me, as I need to be able to have parental rights for our child. We don't really care if people share our views on things as we generally stick to ourselves, but not being stared at while we walk in a store, or at work, would be great. The community that we live in right now is very hicktown, cuss you out for holding hands, and just generally be ignorant jerks. All we want is to be able to have our family and be able to give them a great childhood, which I've been hearing is what we should be able to find in Washington.
Things we are looking for:
-Within about 40 miles to colleges, as my wife will be going to school; i'll be attending when she is done
-If at all possible, some land available. Nothing extreme just a couple acres (we love the woods
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-Within a reasonable commute to a Walmart as that will be where we will both be transferring to until we find anything different.
-A rural area is fine with us as long as we are within an hour or so of a smaller city
-We aren't into the night life scene, so that isn't a priority
-Childrens schools also aren't as important either due to us planning on homeschooling
-I'm planning on pursuing my CPA degree and Real Estate License so if there are any specific places that that might be more applicable that would be great too
I realize that we may not be able to find all of these things at once, but any more info or suggestions would be very much appreciated!! Also if there are any other things that you think I may be overlooking or naive about I would love to be enlightened
Thanks!
11-12-2012, 07:06 PM
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Welcome ladies but you might be happier in Western Washington where the law will be more "embraced".
11-12-2012, 07:17 PM
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Most of the counties in Eastern Washington voted heavily against same sex marriage....But if you really want to live in Eastern Washington, Walla Walla might be a good choice. There's land, cool old houses, there's a good college, lots of wineries, and the place is generally thought of as more tolerant than other parts of Eastern Washington.
11-12-2012, 07:19 PM
Location: Alger MI
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The main motivating factors that we had for moving to the eastern side was for the mountains, less rain and overcast, less earthquake/flood likeliness, and a better opportunity for more affordable housing.. Are these logical questions or has my research so far been a little dramatized? We're trying to learn as much as possible so we can prepare and make the best decision possible. Do you have any suggestions that might go along with these factors on the western side? My main concern was the cloud cover and rain that I've been hearing so much about. Do some people build it up worse than it really is?
11-12-2012, 07:22 PM
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No the overcast and drizzle are real and well, yes, the earthquake risk is real too. So if that is the concern, you should go with Ira's recommendations. If you think you will experience SAD, you probably won't be happy joining us on the Western side but our side overwhelmingly supported marriage equality. Either way, you're good to go and welcome!
11-12-2012, 07:26 PM
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Eastern wa is VERY conservative. I know, I am from there & much family is there. Did I mention VERY conservative? See if you can find voting results by county for our state, might be helpful.
We have lakes, ocean, mountains, colleges here in western WA, keep up your research.
11-13-2012, 09:08 AM
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
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EssenceofAshley
...The community that we live in right now is very hicktown, cuss you out for holding hands, and just generally be ignorant jerks...
Much of Eastern Washington also fits that that description.
11-13-2012, 09:21 AM
Location: Washington State. Not Seattle.
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Although the Western WA crowd would have you believe that we in Eastern WA are just a bunch of inbred-redneck-Bible-thumpers, I know of quite a few gay couples in areas throughout Eastern WA that seem to live perfectly normal lives.
I am not closely associated with any of them personally, but I do have some gay people as clients, and none of them have ever expressed any sort of fear or condemnation toward anyone treating them unfairly.
It is true that we are much more conservative than Western WA, and you would possibly be the subject of some amount of "water-cooler gossip" (more so than you would in Seattle, for example). But, from what I've seen in my second-hand views of the subject, that doesn't necessarily equate to prejudice or result in a poor quality of life.
Anyway, to address your other concerns - IMO you are right to NOT want to live in the gloom and drizzle of Western WA. I am an Eastern WA native, and moved over there after med school to an excellent job in a decent area. Eventually, however, I gave it all up to take a lower-paying job back in Eastern WA just to get away from the horrible, depressing weather and the traffic.
As for colleges - you won't really find any little private schools in Eastern WA unless you want to live in or near Spokane (a mid-sized to large city), but Ellensburg is an extremely nice agricultural community that houses Central Washington University's campus (although Ellensburg still doesn't have a WalMart), then of course, there is Pullman, home of Washington State University, a small town but within 90 miles of Spokane. Other nice areas (with branch campuses or community colleges) include Wenatchee, Walla Walla, or possibly the Lewiston/Clarkston area.
11-13-2012, 12:21 PM
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I also like Ellensburg a lot, home of Central WA University. A real funny mix of artists, left wing students, right wing ranchers, etc. It's awfully pretty, and has a great old downtown.
11-13-2012, 12:39 PM
Location: Seattle, Washington
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If weather is your concern, go to Eastern Washington for sure. Better overall weather, a real change of season, better traffic, and that more country / rural feel are the main reasons I can't wait to relocate to that side! I don't think you will have a whole lot of trouble with your lifestyle over there, although it is a lot more conservative than the wet side. That being said, you will be much more welcomed in Eastern Washington than say, the Idaho pan handle.
Ellensburg is a good choice. College town, close to mountains, close to forest, etc, but I think the nearest Walmart would be in Yakima, a 30 to 45 minute drive one way.
Walla Walla is good, although I don't exactly remember there being a forest or even a ton of trees at that around there.
Wentachee lies just east of where forest starts to turn into desert (very easy to access forest from there, also close to mountains, and to Lake Chelan), has a walmart, but no college.
Spokane has Walmart, a college, a waterfall right in the town itself, and is close to forest. It also has more population than other places in Eastern Washington, and while it is far far drier than anywhere on the wet side, it does feature slightly more precipitation that most of Eastern Washington as well.
(speaking of Spokane, just came across this neat article:
http://www.downtoearthnw.com/7-wonders-spokane/ )
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People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)