White family considering PG County - school issues? (Salisbury: 2013, crime rate)

[bus man]

Originally Posted by cool rob

Jeez cry me a river! Come on if your acting like a @ss and your white, face the punishment- If your acting like and @ss and your black, whether the punishment is as severe or not, you will still face the punishment- the bottom line is don't act like an @ss in school!

You're missing the point. I'm not saying that kids shouldn't be disciplined when they misbehave. Quite the opposite, actually. I would like to see discipline enforced as needed, without any regard to the demographics of who is causing the trouble. And that's the problem. Because in the schools and districts where disparate impact is a thing, discipline is meted out unevenly, and unfairly. In order to make the stats look good, white kids (on average) will be disciplined more harshly than their offenses warrant, while black kids will be disciplined less harshly than their offenses warrant.

In other words, if your child is white, they are more likely to be disciplined more harshly for offenses that would garner a lighter punishment if they were black. Don't think for a second that those among the black population who are inclined to cause trouble don't know this. They can misbehave, maybe not with impunity, but with fewer consequences, owing solely to the desire to make the discipline stats even out. Thus, the misbehavior increases, and your child becomes more likely to be victimized by it.

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by bus man

You're missing the point. I'm not saying that kids shouldn't be disciplined when they misbehave. Quite the opposite, actually. I would like to see discipline enforced as needed, without any regard to the demographics of who is causing the trouble. And that's the problem. Because in the schools and districts where disparate impact is a thing, discipline is meted out unevenly, and unfairly. In order to make the stats look good, white kids (on average) will be disciplined more harshly than their offenses warrant, while black kids will be disciplined less harshly than their offenses warrant.

In other words, if your child is white, they are more likely to be disciplined more harshly for offenses that would garner a lighter punishment if they were black. Don't think for a second that those among the black population who are inclined to cause trouble don't know this. They can misbehave, maybe not with impunity, but with fewer consequences, owing solely to the desire to make the discipline stats even out. Thus, the misbehavior increases, and your child becomes more likely to be victimized by it.

Nope not missing your point at all- keep in mind these "stats" you speak of are not really realistic, as for Maryland and most states for the most part- most school districts are still largely segregated- for example it's not too many white kids in Baltimore city public school who are going to be affected by the black kid sitting next to him cutting up in class, and when he does it he gets a harsher penalty.


When a white kid bully's another kid, the norm is he is bullying another white kid, because more than likely that is who he actually goes to school with- sure exceptions happen, but that's the bottom line. Those stats you are using are global, and not realistic of what you really see in the classroom.


Once again, quit the worrying and crying about race (and you accuse someone of being a liberal LOL) and refocus on the system that is creating these things that you feel are wrong- the whole idea of this, is nothing more than placing a wet Band-Aid on a gushing wound. The simple fact that kids (both black and white) are not graduating by large, and when they do they are not prepared for college or the workforce. That's a system issue, lets worry about that and let go of the black and white debate, especially when were ALL getting screwed over.

[InchingWest]

Originally Posted by cool rob

Come on bro- that bolded part is your own personal insecurity or bias. White/black/Green, the school system as a whole in the State of Maryland is behind and a joke.

So stating the reality of a situation is now considered to be bias?

I guess it's been that way for a couple decades now.

"There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps...then turn around to see somebody white and feel relieved" -Jesse Jackson

Now that's a real quote "bro", and it's more true today than it was a quarter century ago when Mr. Jackson first said it.

[adelphi_sky]

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[ben Shunamit]

Originally Posted by adelphi_sky

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[adelphi_sky]

Originally Posted by ben Shunamit

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[G1..]

Originally Posted by cool rob

Nope not missing your point at all-


Once again, quit the worrying and crying about race (and you accuse someone of being a liberal LOL) and refocus on the system that is creating these things that you feel are wrong- the whole idea of this, is nothing more than placing a wet Band-Aid on a gushing wound. The simple fact that kids (both black and white) are not graduating by large, and when they do they are not prepared for college or the workforce. That's a system issue, lets worry about that and let go of the black and white debate, especially when were ALL getting screwed over.

This post was about Prince George's County,Maryland right?..............................yes you missed the point.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by kcmo

My wife teaches in AA County. They are having some of the same problems. The main problem is the teachers can't discipline the students, especially if they are black and the students know it and are taking control of "some" of the schools. The schools with good leadership that are not afraid to discipline the kids are doing fine however. It really comes down to having good principles and principles that hire good teachers and they are all on the same page with how to run a school. Too many principles that don't care, hire only their friends as teachers and let the kids run wild will ruin an entire school.

Once a school gets a bad reputation, it's very difficult to reverse as parents that care start to move out of the district or a bad reputation keeps good families from moving in. Then you have a downward spiral that will ultimately effect the entire county.

Having said that, PG County has some goods schools and I don't know why a white family couldn't live there as a minority. I'm white, but I when to mostly black public schools and it was fine. 90% of how successful kids are in public schools is based on the student's home life and their parents, not the school district anyway.

This started under Obama with his school discipline initiative. His administration went after schools that have a racial disparity in suspensions because to liberals any disparity is proof of racism.

Unfortunately DeVos has not gotten around to ending this focus of the Dept. of Ed. So schools are still operating under Obama initiatives in this regards. To Devos's credit she is doing a thorough study on the issue before ruling but in my opinion it should have been ended day one.

[EdwardA]

Originally Posted by North Beach Person

In defense of PGCPS, all Maryland school systems are working their discipline policies based on mandates from Maryland State Department of Education addressing disparate impact.

Those mandates, about four or five years ago, required lessening penalties for certain behaviors disproportionally committed by one or another student cohort.

Physical attack on teachers went from automatic expulsion to 10 day out of school suspension, as one example.

The penalties for chronic classroom disruption and insubordination had a couple changes. The number of teacher initiated parent contacts and assigned detentions increased before they could be sent to the Administration (and God help the teacher if they had any documentation out of order). The Administrative penalties decreased from out of school suspension to either in school suspension or counseling.

The automatic request for expulsion for possession of drugs and/or alcohol went to ten day suspension.

Possession of weapons remained at automatic expulsion but an appeal process was instituted.

The last two actually changed 12 or 15 years ago.

Exactly. Maryland a deep blue state was merely following the lead of the Obama administration. The sad reality is that academia and black leaders want to reduce standards to deal with gaps instead of bringing people up. This reduces the educational experience for every one and causes even deeper school segregation.

[cool rob]

Originally Posted by EdwardA

Exactly. Maryland a deep blue state was merely following the lead of the Obama administration. The sad reality is that academia and black leaders want to reduce standards to deal with gaps instead of bringing people up. This reduces the educational experience for every one and causes even deeper school segregation.

that's all I'm saying.