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It is not an unassailable virtue. Meaning, people who live in less-dense cities are not evil, environment-hating rednecks, nor are Manhattanites necessarily paragons of sustainable living.
It is not an objectively "superior" type of lifestyle. Density isn't "hip" to everyone. It is but one of many possible lifestyle choices.
By itself, it does not make any one city superior to another. One must take into account a whole range of factors to make such assessments. Saying that "City A is better than City B simply because City A is denser" is an asinine line of thought.
By itself, it does not translate into better livability. Some of the densest cities in the world are in developing and middle-income nations. They're hardly livable areas.
Density exists in virtually every city in the world. The people who want to live in dense environments have no shortage of choices, so I'm not sure why they must constantly criticize people who do not share their lifestyle preferences.
Yes, there can be "dense sprawl." Los Angeles? Miami?
The market should be the ultimate force that shapes which areas are dense and which aren't, not government. People who want to live in dense environments should have that option, as should people who prefer less density or even, *gasp*, sprawl.
I find at a certain density point, areas transition from urban to more suburban. Although, of course suburbs or cities can be of any density... For instance, certainly anything under 3,000 people per square mile is pretty spread out in my mind and feels different. I like closer infrastructure and housing personally..
But I do think you are over-generalizing everyone's views on population density. There are great cities and areas with ANY density.
I find at a certain density point, areas transition from urban to more suburban. Although, of course suburbs or cities can be of any density... For instance, certainly anything under 3,000 people per square mile is pretty spread out in my mind and feels different. I like closer infrastructure and housing personally..
But I do think you are over-generalizing everyone's views on population density. There are great cities and areas with ANY density.
I don't think the OP is disagreeing with you. What the OP is saying is that there are some posters in this forum (primarily from the Northeast) who hate any city that isn't old, dense, and compact. And I think the OP has a point.
OP, you're making a lot of folks who spent $500K for a 400 sq ft warehouse loft with fake stainless appliances really mad. Don't you know they can walk downstairs to conspicuously consume Starbucks lattes while they complain about how Starbucks is too corporate?
I don't think the OP is disagreeing with you. What the OP is saying is that there are some posters in this forum (primarily from the Northeast) who hate any city that isn't old, dense, and compact. And I think the OP has a point.
True. I do a correlation between unsubstantiated amount of hate for my region from people living in LA and NYC.. seems those two areas in particular.
op, you're making a lot of folks who spent $500k for a 400 sq ft warehouse loft with fake stainless appliances really mad. Don't you know they can walk downstairs to conspicuously consume starbucks lattes while they complain about how starbucks is too corporate?
No I disagree on all points. Anyplace less than 10K /sq mile is the boondocks and not worth a mention.
You need to travel outside of Boston. You just cut off LA, another city that doesn't have a 10k/ sq mile density. LA is no way shape or form is the boondocks.
You need to travel outside of Boston. You just cut off LA, another city that doesn't have a 10k/ sq mile density. LA is no way shape or form is the boondocks.
Methinks that Bostonian was, just maybe, being a tad facetious with yon post.
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