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That depends on if there is off ramps in those communities, if the highway just cuts through and doesn't have an access point in that community, then it serves no benefit to that community.
Southside Chicago has definitely been screwed over when it comes to rail access. The city destroyed too many old neighborhoods and commercial areas in the Southside and did very little to provide adequate rail access to the Southside.
Seriously? You think these interstates were built through cities with no access to the cities themselves? Is that what these faux urbanist rags say? You really do need to get out more, and that is not snark, any more than this:
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Your reading comprehension is as poor as your logic.
is snark (from Eddyline).
Here are the exits in the city of Denver, on I-70 from west to east across northern Denver:
271A Sheridan Blvd (western city limit)
271B Lowell Blvd
272 Federal Blvd
273 Pecos St.
274 I-25
275A Washington St.
275B Brighton Blvd.
275C York/Josephine Sts (upscale neighborhood)
276A Vasquez Blvd
276B Colorado Blvd
277 Dahlia St
278 Quebec St
279A US 36, I-270
279B Central Park Blvd
8 miles, 14 exits
I-25, south to north
200 I-225/I-70
201 Hampden Ave
202 Yale Ave
203 Evans Ave
204 Colorado Blvd
205 University Ave
206 Downing/Washington/Emerson Sts
207A Lincoln/Broadway
207B Santa Fe Dr.
208 Alameda Ave
209 6th Ave
209C 8th Ave
210A Colfax Ave (to downtown)
210C Auraria Pkwy (" " )
210B 17th Ave (to uptown)
211 23rd Ave
212 Speer Blvd (to downtown)
212C 20th St.
213 Park Ave/W. 38th Ave
214A I-70
214B 48th Ave
(Northern city limit is 52nd Ave at this point)
14 miles, 21 exits
What more do you want? In some cases, there are several exits within a mile. In no case, is there more than a mile between exits.
I will let Chirack talk about Chicago, but I have driven through his city enough to know that there are numerous interstate exits in the city limits.
Here's I-80 in Omaha, west to east:
444 Q St.
445 L/I Sts
446 I-680
448 84th St
449 72nd St
450 60th St
451 42nd St
452 Kennedy Freeway to downtown/I-480
453 25th St.
454 13th St Lauritzen Gardens, Zoo
Milepost 455.3 I-80 E to Iowa
11 miles, 11 exits
Lists of exits from Wikipedia
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I wasn't speaking in absolutes, not sure why you thinking I am. I'm referring to a place where driving is a minority transportation mode or as Chirack said transit is the primary mode.
Well, NYC is the only city where a majority takes transit, and there are only 3 other cities where at least 1/3 take transit. All told, only 11 out of 50 where 25% or more take transit.
Seriously? You think these interstates were built through cities with no access to the cities themselves? Is that what these faux urbanist rags say?
The Cross Bronx Expressway wasn't built for the people in the Bronx. No, I don't think interstates were built through cities with no access, but there are neighborhoods that they were built through and weren't designed to service the neighborhoods they were cutting through.
Well, NYC is the only city where a majority takes transit, and there are only 3 other cities where at least 1/3 take transit. All told, only 11 out of 50 where 25% or more take transit.
The problem is, we only measure work trips. We should be measuring the other trips. Because modifying those would actually have a huge impact everything from congestion, to health outcomes and of course city design.
It is kinda hard to change your job. But you can have a neighborhood design that prioritizes most needs and puts them in walking distance.
I am in the camp of live where you are happy, then find a job. Vs the reverse, find a job and then live there. The way I see it, jobs aren't all that permanent.
Here's a pic of the street my dad grew up on. Except that now the street is divided by interstate 240 and a noise wall. Use your imagination how this impacts living here.
Looks like a similar street in my town. It's ugly, no doubt, a huge berm topped by a wall. Oddly enough, it's probably quieter there than when the street went through. No different than any other dead-end street.
Looks like a similar street in my town. It's ugly, no doubt, a huge berm topped by a wall. Oddly enough, it's probably quieter there than when the street went through. No different than any other dead-end street.
How could it be quieter with an expressway rumbling nearby?
How could it be quieter with an expressway rumbling nearby?
Exactly what I was thinking. Perhaps for some people the highway is a constant that eventually blends in as background noise vs. traffic passing through. Not for me though. The sound of constant highway noise is akin to nails on a chalkboard; oh, and I'm not a fan of living next to railroad tracks either.
How could it be quieter with an expressway rumbling nearby?
It is a trade off, little or no traffic right in front of your house, but a freeway (behind a sound wall) a block away. If it had formerly been a busy street, it could be quieter now.
It is a trade off, little or no traffic right in front of your house, but a freeway (behind a sound wall) a block away. If it had formerly been a busy street, it could be quieter now.
That's also what I was thinking. It depends on the highway too.
I live about a half mile away from route 95, which cuts through the city of Richmond (maybe 8 blocks away). If I go outside, I can still hear it, but it's not the first thing I hear when I'm outside. I can't imagine being one block from that.
I wouldn't want to live anywhere close to an expressway, go outside your place an hear a constant roar of traffic?! I have a friend who lives half a block from the BQE (Brooklyn) and he doesn't seem to mind. Might help that NYC is in general noisy, so it doesn't feel as big of a deal. Still, even one block further is much quieter. He seems to tune out the noise. Inside, not so bad in the colder months as the windows are closed. But it's loud with the windows open.
Part of the BQE is interesting in that it was built on the site of a former Elevated Rapid transit line:
The expressway doesn't divide much, the other side is mostly industrial, though there are some residents on the other side. No loss transit-wise as there's a subway running parelell a block away. The entire neighborhood is rather poor, but I'm told the block immediately next to the expressway has more issues than the rest (more crime, houses look a bit more run down). Though I suspect that side was always less desireable as it was nearer industry.
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