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Is Cameron losing the plot in his wanting the American Bratton to be head of the Met ?
Bratton is rather loud in blowing his own trumpet on gangs,
if he was so good how come there are over four hundred gangs in LA ?
Bratton like other Americans is confused about Commonwealth policing, police in the Commonwealth police by consent, in the USA they police by force which leads to lots of dead bodies in riot type situations.
USA type policing in the UK, would people be happy about being dragged out of cars at gun point for a license check ?
Is Cameron losing the plot in his wanting the American Bratton to be head of the Met ?
Bratton is rather loud in blowing his own trumpet on gangs,
if he was so good how come there are over four hundred gangs in LA ?
Bratton like other Americans is confused about Commonwealth policing, police in the Commonwealth police by consent, in the USA they police by force which leads to lots of dead bodies in riot type situations.
USA type policing in the UK, would people be happy about being dragged out of cars at gun point for a license check ?
I suggest you visit the US (or preferably live there for a while) before making crackpot comments about people being "dragged out of their cars for a license check". Way to stereotype
I don't know much about Bratton, but I do know that American police have a lot more experience at dealing with flash mobs and violent 'gatherings' - some handled well, some not so much, but can some things be learnt? Of course.
How have they got more experience? See your jumping to conclusions now, Britain's police have dealt with many riots down the years, they obviously never handled the early days of the recent riots well, but that was on a huge scale in 30+ locations, 20 odd in London alone. In the past few year in the UK there's been large scale riots in Manchester for the Uefa Cup Final, a dozen in Belfast and elsewhere in Northern Ireland, student riots across London last year, riots involving far right groups, riots before, at and after a Carling Cup match between West Ham United and Millwall in London at Upton Park, riots in Bristol, and in the 90's there was riots in Brixton and Bradford, countless more in Northern Ireland, the Poll tax riots, and if you go back further to the 80's there was riots in Leeds, Dewsbury, 2 different riots in Birmingham, the Broadwater Farm riots in Tottenham, 2 different riots in Brixton, Moss Side riots in Manchester, the Toxteth riots in Liverpool, the St Paul riots in Bristol, that's a lot of large serious rioting, there's been plenty more smaller scale ones in football etc, so how has the US had more experience?
I suggest you visit the US (or preferably live there for a while) before making crackpot comments about people being "dragged out of their cars for a license check". Way to stereotype
I don't know much about Bratton, but I do know that American police have a lot more experience at dealing with flash mobs and violent 'gatherings' - some handled well, some not so much, but can some things be learnt? Of course.
And-big thing IMO- they have a far greater presence in communities that are relatively low crime as well as the higher crime areas.
They police the intersates on a regular, constant basis,which is reassuring.
I remember when I was driving Newcastle to London every 2 weeks for around 8 months I would very rarely see a police car, except maybe in a service station.
Over here, we were parked at a Lake access area just looking out at the Lake and a policeman appeared and asked us what we were doing. He was fine-no problem, but they investigate people loitering and groups of kids collecting at shopping centers etc.
How have they got more experience? See your jumping to conclusions now, Britain's police have dealt with many riots down the years, they obviously never handled the early days of the recent riots well, but that was on a huge scale in 30+ locations, 20 odd in London alone. In the past few year in the UK there's been large scale riots in Manchester for the Uefa Cup Final, a dozen in Belfast and elsewhere in Northern Ireland, student riots across London last year, riots involving far right groups, riots before, at and after a Carling Cup match between West Ham United and Millwall in London at Upton Park, riots in Bristol, and in the 90's there was riots in Brixton and Bradford, countless more in Northern Ireland, the Poll tax riots, and if you go back further to the 80's there was riots in Leeds, Dewsbury, 2 different riots in Birmingham, the Broadwater Farm riots in Tottenham, 2 different riots in Brixton, Moss Side riots in Manchester, the Toxteth riots in Liverpool, the St Paul riots in Bristol, that's a lot of large serious rioting, there's been plenty more smaller scale ones in football etc, so how has the US had more experience?
The way they deal with riots in NI and the rest of GB is completely different. The football riots are isolated things that are usually well known before that something may kick off vs a flash mob riot kind of thing. It took the UK police force a long time to learn how to deal with football crowd trouble. Our stadium training was basically setup by police in the UK and it was a freaking joke tbh.
They train much better in the US with their CERT and SORT teams and whatever to deal with crowd trouble IMHO.
The UK had some of the most violent crowds anywhere in the past, now there's hardly any incidents so that tells you just how well the government and police done to eradicate it from the terraces, and anyway I only put a few very serious riots in my last post, the Uefa cup final and the West Ham v Millwall riots, which were large scale and serious. Agreed that Northern Ireland's riots are different than the mainlands, but hey they are still part of the UK, therefore the riots are taking place in the UK, if there was a riot in Hawaii or Alaska it would still be a riot in the USA. And I posted many more instances of riots that were similar to the riots seen in the UK recently, most were as serious just not as wide spread
NI is still part of the UK as is Hawaii and Alaska but we both know that rioters are treated way differently in NI then they are in the UK.
I am not going to go tit for tat on riot size because we can both do that all night. I have experiened police and worked in security on both sides of the water and would beel more comfortable with a US police force dealing with it then the UK police force.
Fair enough, I haven't stayed across the pond so can't comment. You would know better than me, but was just pointing out it isn't like the British haven't dealt with plenty of riots, of course I know the US has dealt with their share also
Yeh they both have. It just took way too long for them to try and take back London this time, way too long. You should come over, ill hook you up with some good beer
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