Houston vs. Dallas (San Antonio, Arlington, Center: infant, independent, distributor)

[dv1033]

Originally Posted by R1070

I think there's a lot of reason why ridership is lower in Dallas.

Here's some that come to mind

1) The system is new
2) People love their cars
3) Dallas' employment centers are pretty spread out around the Metroplex
3) Traffic isn't really that bad. People just drive.
4) Dallas has a lot of freeways
5) There is a certain level of snobbery toward public transportation in Dallas
6) Majority of the new lines are in corridors that are ripe for future development

Then why build such a large rail system in a sun belt city?

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by dv1033

....yet the mobility isn't reflected in ridership.

Houston's rail is non-existent outside of the core..... METRO does have greater bus and commuter bus service, albeit with a slightly larger service area.



Because it has a lower than average ridership for American cities. It does well inside Dallas's core but not so well in suburban setting unsurprisingly.



Of course people use it, it just doesn't have good ridership.



LOLZ..... how else do you measure effectiveness? It seems your way is simply celebrating having a lot of rail, regardless of it all fits.

...uhhh....Effectivenes is when visitors and locals can hop on the train,access the whole city for errands, shopping, eating , entertainment....AND.....ACCESS TO DFW......Thats the purpose of transportation not how many people are sitting next to you.

[First24]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Then why build such a large rail system in a sun belt city?

DART a regional economic engine spurring development, studies find | Dallas Morning News

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by First24

DART a regional economic engine spurring development, studies find | Dallas Morning News

^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^Compared to this:

In 2014, Houston Heads West as Light Rail Goes East – Next City

“I think the local bus, the least glamorous part of transit, is actually one of our best opportunities to actually make things better,” Spieler concluded. “It tends to get ignored a lot of the time.”

“I’m not saying underfunded,” he clarified, “I’m just talking about not getting the kind of planning attention that glamorous new capital projects get.”

[marcopolo2000]

Originally Posted by dv1033

Then why build such a large rail system in a sun belt city?

And this is the mentality of Houston's leadership in a nutshell. Some cities are forward thinking and actually plan for future growth instead of having to play catch up like Houston.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by marcopolo2000

And this is the mentality of Houston's leadership in a nutshell. Some cities are forward thinking and actually plan for future growth instead of having to play catch up like Houston.

I think it's more of an American mindset than strictly something unique to Houston. It's not like anywhere in the south has truly done a good job planning for growth. We just build more roads.

[dallasboi]

Sources: Toyota isn't going to be the last big fish to land in Dallas - Dallas Business Journal

http://m.bizjournals.com/dallas/news...t-college.html

[TexasTallest]

Originally Posted by dallasboi

^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^Compared to this:

In 2014, Houston Heads West as Light Rail Goes East – Next City

LOL. 7 billion for how many miles of track? Houston developed over 2 billion in projects on the new light rail line in just downtown and the TMC alone. thats all on only a couple miles of track. looks like Houston is the clear winner (again) in spurring development along its rail line.

Originally Posted by dallasboi

Sources: Toyota isn't going to be the last big fish to land in Dallas - Dallas Business Journal

you obviously have never heard of the 5 billion dollar Generation Park project in Houston...
"Generation Park is a 4,000-acre mixed-use master planned enterprise park in Houston, Texas. Located on the northeast corner of Beltway 8/Sam Houston Tollway, the park will be an entirely new business destination with more than 37 million square feet to be developed."

[gsupstate]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

you obviously have never heard of the 5 billion dollar Generation Park project in Houston...
"Generation Park is a 4,000-acre mixed-use master planned enterprise park in Houston, Texas. Located on the northeast corner of Beltway 8/Sam Houston Tollway, the park will be an entirely new business destination with more than 37 million square feet to be developed."

WOW! You'd think with a development that large, a world brand like Toyota would have chosen Houston. Wonder why they chose Dallas instead?

[dallasboi]

Originally Posted by TexasTallest

LOL. 7 billion for how many miles of track? Houston developed over 2 billion in projects on the new light rail line in just downtown and the TMC alone. thats all on only a couple miles of track. looks like Houston is the clear winner (again) in spurring development along its rail line.



you obviously have never heard of the 5 billion dollar Generation Park project in Houston...
"Generation Park is a 4,000-acre mixed-use master planned enterprise park in Houston, Texas. Located on the northeast corner of Beltway 8/Sam Houston Tollway, the park will be an entirely new business destination with more than 37 million square feet to be developed."

......give it up bruh.....