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Saw on the news that Jimmy Buffet is building these entertainment district thingys in Houston Dallas and Austin. Which leaves out SA. Goes along the lines with this thread.
Saw on the news that Jimmy Buffet is building these entertainment district thingys in Houston Dallas and Austin. Which leaves out SA. Goes along the lines with this thread.
I noticed exactly the same thing. The north and west outlying San Antonio suburbs would be great demographic fits for the concept.
Whenever I hear people talking about Texas always hear about Austin, Dallas,and Houston but rarely about San Antonio. Is there a reason for this?
Is San Antonio less developed than the other Texas cities or what is going on?
the reason san antonio aint mentioned is cuz the other three cities have more stuff to do and work in than san antonio
austin dallas and houston have way more opportunities and have way stuff to do
people dont look at san antonio like that
and dont forget how austin is the fastest growing city
dfw, austin and houston are big cities and have fast growing metros
san antonio mainly focus on the core of the city to grow at instead of the metro
alot of companies mainly go to austin dallas or houston
u barely hear that in san antonio
dont forget san antonio aint as diverse as the other three too
its prob gon change in the future but rn these are the main reasons
That's how I feel honestly. It's just overshadowed by the other 3 and if I may add a couple of other reasons why I feel as though San Antonio is overshadowed b the other 3.
1) Best city in TX for family vacation but not much appeal for Millennials compared to the other 3. One thing I hear constantly about San Antonio is how "boring" it is. Now I'm not personally saying this but this is what I hear from Millennials. From my experience San Antonio has improved on vibrancy in the city center for it's everyday Millennial residents. I've seen lofts popping up and new shops and eateries catered more to residents in the heart of the city. You also have the Pearl which I really enjoy. It's a true gem. With that said the city center is still largely centered around tourist. Outside of San Antonio's center compared to the other 3 there's not much that separates it apart from Houston, Dallas, Austin. San Antonio feels smaller outside of it's core compared to the other 3. Even compared to Austin.
2) San Antonio lacks the kind of diversity Houston, DFW and even Austin has. When I visit San Antonio I notice real quick that it's a very Mexican, White, Black town. Don't get me wrong San Antonio is full of rich Mexican enclaves. There's nothing wrong with that AT ALL. But with the influx of immigrants and 2nd gen Millennials rising in major cities most would probably prefer to live in cities that already have a sizeable presence there.
3) Like someone mentioned earlier compared to the other 3 San Antonio White collar jobs are much smaller than the other 3. Which imo gives San Antonio outside of it's tourist area more of a hometown vibe than a true city vibe.
4) Personally I think the big military presence and the fact it's not as liberal as the other 3 make it less appealing to Millennials in White collar industries , liberal leaning demographic and certain immigrant groups that generally flock to other cities in TX.
With all that said IMO, San Antonio is a fine city. If you're raising a family and looking for a cheaper option with the same amenities as the other TX cities plus with a rich history unlike anything else in TX and diversity is not that big of a deal breaker to you than I would suggest San Antonio over the other cities.
its an aight city for families, but the other three they milenial settings when u think abt it
Since when has Austin become bigger than San Antonio?
Austin may receive the most attention by the media but it still hasn't caught up to the big three. Not yet at least it will be a long time before that happens at least untill it catches up to S.A. in population. San Antonio is growing very fast as well.
San Antonio is far more heavily urbanized with a higher population density. All you have to do is compare Bexar county with Travis county where the main urbanized area is located and San Antonio is almost twice the size.
Travis county which includes all Austin and many of it's suburbs has about 1.27 million versus 2.1 million for Bexar county. They are both about the same size in land area. San Antonio is more dense it is a much older city and urban core that developed as a big city much earlier in time this is why there are far more historical districts.
Austin has more high rise development but it has a smaller urban core. San Antonio's inner city population is also more dense overall.
The area around UT is densely populated but outside that it doesn't compare to San Antonio's overall density.
San Antonio looks more like a big city with far more office building stock outside the downtown core than Austin.
Austin has the bigger downtown skyline which gives the appearance of a bigger city if looking at the skyline from a distance. Austin has a bigger skyline than Phoenix, Rome and Washington DC and a lot of others including S.A. but this doesn't mean it is the bigger city.
The Riverwalk goes far beyond the tourist section into many historic neighborhoods where it is intertwined with the urban fabric of central S.A. The Riverwalk has museums, performing arts center, art districts, theatres, city parks, corporate offices, schools, civic institutions that are built along the Riverwalk. It is not just hotels and tourist related.
There have been thousands of residential units built along and in the vicinity of the Riverwalk with more in the pipeline and currently under construction.
In addition San Antonio is building another urban waterway that is 4 miles long through the downtown area near the Riverwalk filled with art and spurring residential development. UTSA's downtown expansion, ruby city museum, the new Texas Public Radio HQ at the historic Alameda theatre are all located along the San Pedro Creek Culture Park.
Austin also has a vibrant Urban core but it hasn't surpassed San Antonio's outside having more high rise development.
San Antonio's urban core has more distinct urban districts. The Pearl district exudes the element of urbanity moreso than anything in downtown Austin. Austin has the Domain but that is not located downtown. Raney Street is a small vibrant neighborhood but nothing on the level of the Riverwalk.
If the Riverwalk were a street and had a linear layout like a Blvd the urban segment would be more than 5 miles long filled with dense urbanity and vibrancy. This would make San Antonio's downtown even more vibrant than it already is.
The Pearl has won global awards for it's architecture and urban development. It is filled with fine restaurants, retail, farmers market, culinary institute, music venue and amphitheater, bars and lounges, and residential all built along the Riverwalk. The Museum Reach and the Tobin Performing Arts center is just down the River.
The Tobin Hill area as well as River North are becoming more urban as well as the districts of Southtown that include several neighborhoods; King William, Lavaca, and up and coming neighborhoods of Lone Star, Collins Garden and Roosevelt. Not to mention Brackenridge Park/ S.A. Zoo district, Five Points and N.Starys Strip all seeing urban renewal. Lower and upper Broadway through Alamo Heights is also seeing urban development.
As far as economy San Antonio still holds on to third place in Texas. It has more multi billion dollar comparations despite Austin landing Oracle and Tesla. San Antonio's has bigger F500 and private companies and more of them.
And lastly, Austin and San Antonio are comparable for their diversity, but not to the same degree as Houston and Dallas.
Maybe it's because I don't live there and don't know my way around most of San Antonio, but San Antonio does seem like a bigger city than Austin. It doesn't seem as constantly busy as Austin, but it does seem bigger and more spread out. And the traffic seems to move better in San Antonio. I hope I'm still around to see the day Austin and San Antonio merge together as one metro.
Do you really want San Antonio to be more popular?
It could mean that San Antonio winds up like Austin, if that were to happen. Sky high housing, trash everywhere, homeless camping all over.......you really want that?
the reason san antonio aint mentioned is cuz the other three cities have more stuff to do and work in than san antonio
austin dallas and houston have way more opportunities and have way stuff to do
people dont look at san antonio like that
and dont forget how austin is the fastest growing city
dfw, austin and houston are big cities and have fast growing metros
san antonio mainly focus on the core of the city to grow at instead of the metro
alot of companies mainly go to austin dallas or houston
u barely hear that in san antonio
dont forget san antonio aint as diverse as the other three too
its prob gon change in the future but rn these are the main reasons
A lot of this is off.
- San Antonio is a bigger metro than Austin by a decent amount (2.3M vs 2.6M)
- San Antonio has 6 Fortune 1000 companies (2 others were bought out recently), Austin has 5 now.
- Growth in SA is largely suburban and not in the city core, but the suburban areas were annexed by the city, minus a select few suburbs (Boerne, Schertz/Cibolo, New Braunfels)
- DFW and Houston are far more diverse than Austin and SA. Austin has a slight edge with Asians + more white people but overall it's pretty negligible between the two.
- Companies with HQs or big presence in SA metro area: GM Financial, H.E.B., Pabst, TaskUs, Frost Bank, Harland Clarke, iHeartMedia, Visionworks, SWBC, Rackspace, XPEL, Victory Capital, Boeing, Argo Group, Lockheed Martin, Toyota, Nustar Energy, USAA, Wells Fargo, Caterpillar, Tyson, Whataburger, DeLorean, Nissei, Aisin, Navistar.
By numbers, SA had the largest growth in the country last year
*The U.S. cities with biggest numeric population growth from 2020 to 2021 include:
San Antonio, 13,626
Phoenix, 13,224
Fort Worth, 12,916
Port St. Lucie, 10,771
North Las Vegas, 9,917*
The 5 top cities for incoming residents to Austin are:
- SF Bay Area - 18.4%
- Houston - 11.3%
- Dallas - 9.4%
- Los Angeles - 9.1%
- Seattle - 8.4%
The top 5 cities for incoming residents to San Antonio are:
- Austin (surprise) - 16.9%
- Houston - 12.7%
- Los Angeles - 11.2%
- Dallas - 8%
- Seattle - 6.5%
Overall, DFW and Houston are on a completely different playing field. Austin is the current "it" city to the media. SA and Austin also play 2 completely different roles economically. ATX is most likely going to keep attracting high income Bay Area techies, and a lot of people are getting priced out because of it. Austin also has major infrastructure problems that are going to take a long time to fix, if they ever do. I will give Austin it's props for how well they brand the city and San Antonio is generally pretty bad at that. Hopefully that changes.
A lot of this is off.
- San Antonio is a bigger metro than Austin by a decent amount (2.3M vs 2.6M)
- San Antonio has 6 Fortune 1000 companies (2 others were bought out recently), Austin has 5 now.
- Growth in SA is largely suburban and not in the city core, but the suburban areas were annexed by the city, minus a select few suburbs (Boerne, Schertz/Cibolo, New Braunfels)
- DFW and Houston are far more diverse than Austin and SA. Austin has a slight edge with Asians + more white people but overall it's pretty negligible between the two.
- Companies with HQs or big presence in SA metro area: GM Financial, H.E.B., Pabst, TaskUs, Frost Bank, Harland Clarke, iHeartMedia, Visionworks, SWBC, Rackspace, XPEL, Victory Capital, Boeing, Argo Group, Lockheed Martin, Toyota, Nustar Energy, USAA, Wells Fargo, Caterpillar, Tyson, Whataburger, DeLorean, Nissei, Aisin, Navistar.
By numbers, SA had the largest growth in the country last year
*The U.S. cities with biggest numeric population growth from 2020 to 2021 include:
San Antonio, 13,626
Phoenix, 13,224
Fort Worth, 12,916
Port St. Lucie, 10,771
North Las Vegas, 9,917*
The 5 top cities for incoming residents to Austin are:
- SF Bay Area - 18.4%
- Houston - 11.3%
- Dallas - 9.4%
- Los Angeles - 9.1%
- Seattle - 8.4%
The top 5 cities for incoming residents to San Antonio are:
- Austin (surprise) - 16.9%
- Houston - 12.7%
- Los Angeles - 11.2%
- Dallas - 8%
- Seattle - 6.5%
Overall, DFW and Houston are on a completely different playing field. Austin is the current "it" city to the media. SA and Austin also play 2 completely different roles economically. ATX is most likely going to keep attracting high income Bay Area techies, and a lot of people are getting priced out because of it. Austin also has major infrastructure problems that are going to take a long time to fix, if they ever do. I will give Austin it's props for how well they brand the city and San Antonio is generally pretty bad at that. Hopefully that changes.
Can you provide a link to where you're pulling this data?
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