Is St. Louis a Southern city? (Ozark, Ladue: agricultural, bill, farmer)

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

STL more in common with Chicago than Louisville? Not a fat chance of anything. Closer to Louisville in size, geography, weather, culture, Catholics, Irish/German heritage, the list goes on!

Size and geography matter not in terms of this discussion.

Chicago is majority Catholic. Louisville is majority Protestant. Chicago has one of the largest Irish populations in the country and German is our most common heritage.

Chicago has Northern Cities Vowel Shift and so does STL. Louisville speaks in a majority Southern accent or Southern influenced Midwest accent. Louisville is mostly White and Chicago and STL are majority Black cities.

So what were these similarities you speak of? Stop trying to make Louisville another St. Louis. STL looks to Chicago as a brother. Louisville looks to either Nashville or Cincy. You'd be better off saying Louisville has more in common with Cincy before you say STL.

[STL2006]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Size and geography matter not in terms of this discussion.

Chicago is majority Catholic. Louisville is majority Protestant. Chicago has one of the largest Irish populations in the country and German is our most common heritage. Chicago's weather is humid continental and so is St. Louis. Louisville is humid subtropical.

Chicago has Northern Cities Vowel Shift and so does STL. Louisville speaks in a majority Southern accent or Southern influenced Midwest accent. Louisville is mostly White and Chicago and STL are majority Black cities.

So what were these similarities you speak of? Stop trying to make Louisville another St. Louis. STL looks to Chicago as a brother. Louisville looks to either Nashville or Cincy. You'd be better off saying Louisville has more in common with Cincy before you say STL.

Chicago's weather and St. Louis weather the same, but Louisville different? Might need to recalibrate that. One of these things is not like the other...

https://outflux.net/weather/noaa/ind...66%3BFORID%3A9

I agree with you on the language and religion, but geographically STL and Louisville are on almost identical latitude, are both big river cities, and have identical weather. So geographically and weather-wise, STL is much more like Louisville than Chicago.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by STL2006

Chicago's weather and St. Louis weather the same, but Louisville different? Might need to recalibrate that. One of these things is not like the other...

https://outflux.net/weather/noaa/ind...66%3BFORID%3A9

I agree with you on the language and religion, but geographically STL and Louisville are on almost identical latitude, are both big river cities, and have identical weather. So geographically and weather-wise, STL is much more like Louisville than Chicago.

Fair enough. Didn't realize St. Louis was that hot.

Based on everything else though, I think people from St. Louis will agree there are more Chicago commonalities than Louisville.

[STL2006]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

Fair enough. Didn't realize St. Louis was that hot.

Based on everything else though, I think people from St. Louis will agree there are more Chicago commonalities than Louisville.

I would, and I think the sports rivalry between the cities and high number of transplants between both adds to that.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by STL2006

I would, and I think the sports rivalry between the cities and high number of transplants between both adds to that.

I will always root against the Cardinals but I won't let my brother city get called Southern. Oh no I have met way too many St. Louis people that do not remind me of anything Southern whatsoever.

[RisingAurvandil]

In terms of urban environment, Chicago and StL have massive urban cores by Midwestern standards. Probably because they boomed well before most other cities. Louisville does not have a large core, or so it feels. And Chicago is in a league of it's own...

Both StL and Louisville are river cities, so there are similarities. But they differ in terms of dialect, religion, urban development, and national recognition (good and bad). There is also a large flow of people linking StL and Chicago.

St. Louis is not Chicago. But it's also not Louisville.

[EddieOlSkool]

What do we mean by river city? Chicago has a huge river that runs right through it.

[STL2006]

Originally Posted by EddieOlSkool

What do we mean by river city? Chicago has a huge river that runs right through it.

A MAJOR river. Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, etc. Historically, the river cities have been those that grew up because of commerce on the rivers. Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville, St. Louis, Memphis, New Orleans. Chicago's port on Lake Michigan and its railroads had more to do with its growth.

[Peter1948]

Originally Posted by RisingAurvandil

In terms of urban environment, Chicago and StL have massive urban cores by Midwestern standards. Probably because they boomed well before most other cities. Louisville does not have a large core, or so it feels. And Chicago is in a league of it's own...

Both StL and Louisville are river cities, so there are similarities. But they differ in terms of dialect, religion, urban development, and national recognition (good and bad). There is also a large flow of people linking StL and Chicago.

St. Louis is not Chicago. But it's also not Louisville.

No....Louisville does have a massive urban core and dense inner ring suburbs. remember, you also have to count new albany, jeffersonville, and clarksville IN.

STL is actually probably a hybrid of Louisville and Chicago...

but weather, people, catholic irish/german culture, etc are the same in both cities. In STL and Louisville, it is also a small town big city. I have lived in both and from Chicago. In Louisville and STL, its all about what Catholic or Jesuit HS you went to. No one would ever ask what HS you went to in Chicago!

I think the only reason people are comparing STL to Chi could be a century plus old baseball rivalry. I could see that. And some of the flats and row houses, although different, can look alike.

But other than that, STL and Louisville are old, industrial, river/steamboat towns trying to reinvent themselves through redevelopment of their riverfront and their inner core, 19th century era neighborhoods.

[EddieOlSkool]

Originally Posted by Peter1948

No....Louisville does have a massive urban core and dense inner ring suburbs. remember, you also have to count new albany, jeffersonville, and clarksville IN.

STL is actually probably a hybrid of Louisville and Chicago...

but weather, people, catholic irish/german culture, etc are the same in both cities. In STL and Louisville, it is also a small town big city. I have lived in both and from Chicago. In Louisville and STL, its all about what Catholic or Jesuit HS you went to. No one would ever ask what HS you went to in Chicago!

I think the only reason people are comparing STL to Chi could be a century plus old baseball rivalry. I could see that. And some of the flats and row houses, although different, can look alike.

But other than that, STL and Louisville are old, industrial, river/steamboat towns trying to reinvent themselves through redevelopment of their riverfront and their inner core, 19th century era neighborhoods.

Could you please stop saying Louisville has a German and Catholic culture please? It is SOUTHERN and PROTESTANT.

Most surnames are of English descent.

Louisville people are in disagreement about being Northern or Southern. Most lean Southern. St. Louis people don't identify with the South. Do you even love in Louisville because other than the high school loyalty (St X, Trinity, Assumption, Sacred Heart) , a lot of what you are saying seems inaccurate.