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World-renowned universities such as the ones previously mentioned have world class academics which attract top-notch students, and Stanford, Notre Dame & Northwestern are no exception.
The fact that the Cardinal became a national powerhouse in college football under Jim Harbaugh which has continued under David Shaw while maintaining extremely rigorous academics speaks for itself, and without lowering their requirements for admission.
MLB's rule is you can join the minor leagues either after high school or your 3rd year of college. There are many college players who are drafted out of high school but choose to go to college because the money/situation wasn't what they wanted, etc. Taking signing bonus out of the equation, minor league baseball players make less than minimum wage, so once you drop out of the top few rounds, you are signing up to a few years of poverty, hoping to hit it big.
The other argument is most high school players rarely develop into big leaguers. Sure it can happen, Jeter/Arod both went from high school to the bigs. If the team doesn't put big money into your signing bonus then you are just a body they can use and discard. If a team commits big money, then they need to treat you like an asset.
I know a kid that was drafted in high school (he declined the offer) and then in college (1st rounder). The cash value was multiples of what they offered the high school version. Why? He played college ball and was a superstar.
The other issue is maturity, not too many high school kids will be mature enough to hit the road with a team and be disciplined enough to train/play hard. College will do that for most.
Obviously when you play sport in a big university you don't study a lot and mainly train.
So how does it view in professionnal world? It seems that the vast maority won't be draft by the NFL so is it easy for them after to get a job?
Does their fake diploma worth something?
In some cases it will get them in line for a job, most of the time they will be selling cars or trying to run a restaurant. Even if they get into the NFL, remember NFL stands for Not For Long. The money runs out and you have a 30-35 year old with no job skills and a questionable education......NOW WHAT?
Obviously when you play sport in a big university you don't study a lot and mainly train.
So how does it view in professionnal world? It seems that the vast maority won't be draft by the NFL so is it easy for them after to get a job?
Does their fake diploma worth something?
The diploma assumed fake, or real in an uneconomical subject area does mean something. Maybe not riches but for an example it would be the difference between being accepted for officers training or enlisting as a private soldier in the US Military. In a few places it is a qualification for employment as a police officer and gives a step up in other public and private employers over the high school graduate even with less work experience due to continued education.
I know a kid that was drafted in high school (he declined the offer) and then in college (1st rounder). The cash value was multiples of what they offered the high school version. Why? He played college ball and was a superstar.
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More importantly, the kid has matured four more years and it's more obvious (less of a gamble) what his size, talents and potential are....Biggest problem baseball scouts have is trying to predict how big (ie-strong & durable) a scrawny 16 y/o kid is going to be when he's 25....Will that 90 mph fastball become 94? Will those 340ft HRs become 390 ft HRs?
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In some cases it will get them in line for a job, most of the time they will be selling cars or trying to run a restaurant. Even if they get into the NFL, remember NFL stands for Not For Long. The money runs out and you have a 30-35 year old with no job skills and a questionable education......NOW WHAT?
Good point, but the average NFL career is only 3 yrs. The problem is huge.
Football and basketball are two sports where size trumps skills. Period..... Look at Michael Jordan--"The Best, Most Athletic Basketball Player evah"...Put him in a MLB game and he looked like he suffered from polio. A sad display of athleticism. But put him on a court with nine other 7 ft tall freaks and he looked good. Manute Bol anyone?....Scouts look for size. Skills are merely gravy.
The other argument is most high school players rarely develop into big leaguers. Sure it can happen, Jeter/Arod both went from high school to the bigs. If the team doesn't put big money into your signing bonus then you are just a body they can use and discard. If a team commits big money, then they need to treat you like an asset.
I know a kid that was drafted in high school (he declined the offer) and then in college (1st rounder). The cash value was multiples of what they offered the high school version. Why? He played college ball and was a superstar.
The other issue is maturity, not too many high school kids will be mature enough to hit the road with a team and be disciplined enough to train/play hard. College will do that for most.
Jeter had 463 games and 2068 plate appearances in the minors from age 18 to 21.
Arod had 193 games and 798 plate appearances in the minors at age 18 and 19.
Jeter had 463 games and 2068 plate appearances in the minors from age 18 to 21.
Arod had 193 games and 798 plate appearances in the minors at age 18 and 19.
Not sure what you are pointing out, I used Jeter/Arod as examples that did not attend college and made it into the big leagues. I didn't intend for you to read it as they graduated from high school and then walked on to the field batting 4th in the lineup.
Jeter had 463 games and 2068 plate appearances in the minors from age 18 to 21.
Arod had 193 games and 798 plate appearances in the minors at age 18 and 19.
the problem is the coercion of adult kids being forced to play for free in b.c.s. football (2 years) and n.c.a.a. basketball (1 year -- except for european and chinese players). coincidentally the 2 minority-majority sports -- m.l.b. and n.h.l. have no age restrictions; however, their n.c.a.a. tournaments are not on network t.v.
Not sure what you are pointing out, I used Jeter/Arod as examples that did not attend college and made it into the big leagues. I didn't intend for you to read it as they graduated from high school and then walked on to the field batting 4th in the lineup.
I see -I had a buddy who played single A against Jeter so it just read funny to me.
the problem is the coercion of adult kids being forced to play for free in b.c.s. football (2 years) and n.c.a.a. basketball (1 year -- except for european and chinese players). coincidentally the 2 minority-majority sports -- m.l.b. and n.h.l. have no age restrictions; however, their n.c.a.a. tournaments are not on network t.v.
NCAA baseball is also part of this criminal rule making- if you sign to play baseball in college you are not able to play for the MLB or its affiliates for 3 years. Stephen Strasburg is one of the most egregious examples of this bs rule. He should have been able to make a living playing baseball after his sophomore season. Why should an athlete be limited by the NCAA whether they can make a living? Why are they so in bed with MLB? Why should MLB care if a college baseball athlete has used his 3 years of eligibilty?
How about if you try out for a pro team and get cut you can come back and continue to play college? There is no good reason why these rules exist other to keep control of the athletes by both the NCAA and the major league sports that use the NCAA as a free feeder system.
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