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Old 12-04-2009, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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So you are saying objects will be stretched forever?
Yes, as long as time continues in a linear fashion....or our universe ends...or "rebangs" or Bounces. Of course there are theories that Black Holes connect to other Universes as "White Holes" thru an interconnected "wormhole".
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Austin
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The process is called "spaghettification"....I'll stand by my opinion; there is no way to disprove it or prove it either .

HubbleSite: Black Holes: Gravity's Relentless Pull interactive: Encyclopedia

Spaghettification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but I can back up my theory with a few articles.
Love that interactive link.
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:36 AM
 
Location: Fairfax
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Hawking showed that black holes let go of particles one at a time due to quantum processes....my question is how the hell does matter from the singularity make it out of the hole?

I don't believe matter in a normal black hole escapes into a worm hole-this is only theoretically possible for a black hole with lots of spin. It's singularity would be a ring, and matter going through the ring supposedly could go into another universe.

Our minds can't possibly wrap around the implications of singularities (and I'm not even talking about naked singularities)
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Old 12-05-2009, 01:38 AM
 
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Yes, as long as time continues in a linear fashion....or our universe ends...or "rebangs" or Bounces. Of course there are theories that Black Holes connect to other Universes as "White Holes" thru an interconnected "wormhole".
What would make you think the universe will "rebounce" given the acceleration of the expansion of space/time?
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:06 PM
 
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Love that interactive link.
Thanx; it was really cool!
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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Hawking showed that black holes let go of particles one at a time due to quantum processes....my question is how the hell does matter from the singularity make it out of the hole?

I don't believe matter in a normal black hole escapes into a worm hole-this is only theoretically possible for a black hole with lots of spin. It's singularity would be a ring, and matter going through the ring supposedly could go into another universe.

Our minds can't possibly wrap around the implications of singularities (and I'm not even talking about naked singularities)
Hawking Radiation...I THINK??? Hawking radiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12-05-2009, 12:23 PM
 
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What would make you think the universe will "rebounce" given the acceleration of the expansion of space/time?
I still think that we MAY be misinterpreting the data or have made an inaccurate assumption regarding both DARK Energy and/or Matter. I just read an article in Scientific American challenging the expansion accelerating...they are still up for debate,though data suggests further acceleration.

MY PET theory involves "THE BIG BOUNCE"; IMHO..the initial BANG was just one of infinite bounces; caused by "BRANES" touching and creating new Universies. Remember this current accelerating expansion came as a surprise....there may be a reason other than trying to fit a new theory to new data.

Alan Guth explained our early phase of expansion... 10 to the minus 36th power, seconds after the Big Bang....called cosmic inflation....perhaps this is another, temporary expansion(inflation) and it will slow down as originally theorized. That's my opinion.

Big Bang - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Inflation (cosmology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brane_cosmology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-brane http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory Here are some people who agree with me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclic_Universe_Theory .

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Old 12-05-2009, 02:27 PM
 
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Haha thanks I couldn't think of the term last night as I was a bit tipsy

But considering no one has an idea what truly happens past the event horizon I don't think we understand the quantum effects behind Hawking radiation. Maybe a few scientists do but I doubt it. What I do know is that provided there's no big crunch it's a mathematical certainty that all black holes will evaporate away given enough time. Of course we're talking 10^100 years or something!
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:58 PM
 
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Haha thanks I couldn't think of the term last night as I was a bit tipsy

But considering no one has an idea what truly happens past the event horizon I don't think we understand the quantum effects behind Hawking radiation. Maybe a few scientists do but I doubt it. What I do know is that provided there's no big crunch it's a mathematical certainty that all black holes will evaporate away given enough time. Of course we're talking 10^100 years or something!
I do not understand the mathematics but I do kinda understand these theories...only to a point that is...LOL..Here are some interesting videos on the Cyclic Universe...seriously IMHO...we are on the generally correct path!...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEIj9zcLzp0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCEZ8V50GdY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsWJ...om=PL&index=46 .
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Old 12-06-2009, 05:24 PM
 
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Our universe (or brane) could very well collide with another as it expands in the future, and it is possible this could spawn a new universe. I think I read that same pop sci article a while back-was it the one claiming only the our region of the universe is accelerating?


I don't think accelerating expansion and brane bouncing are mutually exclusive. Earlier, when you said "bounce" I though you meant the old idea claiming that the universe will contract into a singularity and bounce back in a bang.
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