Coronavirus positives in Bradenton and Hillsborough Counties (Sarasota, Palm Beach: medical, rating)

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by bradnsota

Well watch Fauci on video and audio state he supports Trump's policies and that they saved lives. The same policies Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, De Blasio, The media and Democrats were against.

Dr. Fauci praises Trump's actions to combat coronavirus and says he saved lives

Again, facts are facts.

https://khn.org/news/fact-check-fox-...ing-hes-wrong/

"Early on, those travel restrictions won plaudits. After the March restrictions were announced, Dr. Anthony Fauci, who heads the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and is a member of the White House coronavirus task force, said there was “compelling evidence” to justify restricting travel from those high-infection areas.

But the implementation is another story. Global health specialists told us there is little to no evidence that Trump’s restrictions have restrained COVID-19 ― they came too late and didn’t have the follow-up necessary to make a real dent. "

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Trump’s ‘early’ travel ‘bans’ weren’t early, weren’t bans and didn’t work
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

"Such restrictions did little to contain covid-19, and can make us more vulnerable to future pandemics."

[562026]

How is it, wondermint, that it's okay to be 2-3 feet away from people at the supermarket on a regular basis, but not okay anywhere else? How are those cashiers still alive?

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by 562026

How is it, wondermint, that it's okay to be 2-3 feet away from people at the supermarket on a regular basis, but not okay anywhere else? How are those cashiers still alive?

That's okay and protesting is okay, but everything else is not.

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by 562026

How is it, wondermint, that it's okay to be 2-3 feet away from people at the supermarket on a regular basis, but not okay anywhere else? How are those cashiers still alive?

It's been proven that supermarkets are less risky than crowded bars. Aerosols come into play more in bars. Instead of closing everything down - it makes the most sense to put some limited restrictions on the places/situations that pose the most risk. Florida is basically 100% open now so it doesn't seem like there is much for libertarians to be complaining about now. However it wouldn't surprise me if the coronavirus situation deteriorates rapidly by winter - and the governor could be "forced" to re-enact restrictions because the hospitals will become overwhelmed.

[Sunshine Rules]

Here's an article I found a few months ago that I think is very pertinent today:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/...t-attack-them/



From the article:

When major decisions must be made amid high scientific uncertainty, as is the case with Covid-19, we can’t afford to silence or demonize professional colleagues with heterodox views. Even worse, we can’t allow questions of science, medicine, and public health to become captives of tribalized politics. Today, more than ever, we need vigorous academic debate.

and

When the dust settles, few if any scientists — no matter where they work and whatever their academic titles — will have been 100% correct about the effects of Covid-19 and our responses to it. Acknowledging this fact does not require policy paralysis by local and national governments, which must take decisive action despite uncertainty. But admitting this truth requires willingness to listen to and consider ideas, even many that most initially consider totally wrong.

and

At this moment of massive uncertainty, with data and analyses shifting daily, honest disagreements among academic experts with different training, scientific backgrounds, and perspectives are both unavoidable and desirable. It’s the job of policymakers, academics, and interested members of the public to consider differing point of views and decide, at each moment, the best courses of action. A minority view, even if it is ultimately mistaken, may beneficially temper excessive enthusiasm or insert needed caveats. This process, which reflects the scientific method and the culture that supports it, must be repeated tomorrow and the next day and the next.

[Ladywithafan]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

A week after Covid-19 vaccine trial goes on pause, Johnson & Johnson and FDA won't reveal critical details
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/10/19/h...ncy/index.html

Despite repeated claims they're committed to transparency, Johnson & Johnson and the US Food and Drug Administration still aren't revealing crucial details one week after the pharmaceutical giant's Covid-19 vaccine trial went on pause.

Public health experts have encouraged transparency in the Covid-19 vaccine clinical trials, considering that hundreds of millions of Americans will eventually be asked to roll up their sleeves and take a vaccine.

The Johnson & Johnson trial was put on hold October 12 due to a study participant's "unexplained illness," according to a company statement last week.

"Transparent" the buzzword of 2020; not on your life will "crucial details" be revealed; AYFKM? Stephen King couldn't have written the movie we're currently starring in any better than the current draft.

Unexplianed illness began last year before they named it COVID19...

[Ladywithafan]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

It's been proven that supermarkets are less risky than crowded bars. Aerosols come into play more in bars. Instead of closing everything down - it makes the most sense to put some limited restrictions on the places/situations that pose the most risk. Florida is basically 100% open now so it doesn't seem like there is much for libertarians to be complaining about now. However it wouldn't surprise me if the coronavirus situation deteriorates rapidly by winter - and the governor could be "forced" to re-enact restrictions because the hospitals will become overwhelmed.

Where are the stats that supermarkets, i.e. Publix, Walmart, Target are safer to be in than a bar?
Define "pose the most risk?" even one iota of risk is risky...
Florida is all about tourism $ plain & simple & DeSatan don't care; the virus gets a free ride to the beach.

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by Sunshine Rules

Here's an article I found a few months ago that I think is very pertinent today:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/27/...t-attack-them/



From the article:

When major decisions must be made amid high scientific uncertainty, as is the case with Covid-19, we can’t afford to silence or demonize professional colleagues with heterodox views. Even worse, we can’t allow questions of science, medicine, and public health to become captives of tribalized politics. Today, more than ever, we need vigorous academic debate.

and

When the dust settles, few if any scientists — no matter where they work and whatever their academic titles — will have been 100% correct about the effects of Covid-19 and our responses to it. Acknowledging this fact does not require policy paralysis by local and national governments, which must take decisive action despite uncertainty. But admitting this truth requires willingness to listen to and consider ideas, even many that most initially consider totally wrong.

and

At this moment of massive uncertainty, with data and analyses shifting daily, honest disagreements among academic experts with different training, scientific backgrounds, and perspectives are both unavoidable and desirable. It’s the job of policymakers, academics, and interested members of the public to consider differing point of views and decide, at each moment, the best courses of action. A minority view, even if it is ultimately mistaken, may beneficially temper excessive enthusiasm or insert needed caveats. This process, which reflects the scientific method and the culture that supports it, must be repeated tomorrow and the next day and the next.

Very well stated. Unfortunately there is a segment of the population, aided by big tech, who only want "certain" voices heard and only "certain" doctors opinions accepted.

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by Ladywithafan

"Transparent" the buzzword of 2020; not on your life will "crucial details" be revealed; AYFKM? Stephen King couldn't have written the movie we're currently starring in any better than the current draft.

Unexplianed illness began last year before they named it COVID19...

There is mounting evidence this thing was widely circulating the globe well before anyone other than China was aware of it.

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by Ladywithafan

Where are the stats that supermarkets, i.e. Publix, Walmart, Target are safer to be in than a bar?
Define "pose the most risk?" even one iota of risk is risky...
Florida is all about tourism $ plain & simple & DeSatan don't care; the virus gets a free ride to the beach.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/...cid=mm6936a5_w

Findings from a case-control investigation of symptomatic outpatients from 11 U.S. health care facilities found that close contact with persons with known COVID-19 or going to locations that offer on-site eating and drinking options were associated with COVID-19 positivity. Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results.

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A Virus Walks Into a Bar …
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...ssion.amp.html

Gathering indoors, where you get close to other people, shout to be heard, take off face coverings to drink, and (perhaps) loose a little inhibition along the way is a dangerous concoction that dramatically ups the odds of transmitting the coronavirus.

“Except for maybe a hospital with sick patients, I couldn’t imagine too many more risky places than a super cramped indoor bar with poor ventilation and hundreds of people,” said Dr. Asaf Bitton, executive director of Ariadne Labs at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

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37 Routine Activities Ranked by Risk of COVID-19 Infection
https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about...6&publicId=395

A risk-assessment chart produced by the Texas Medical Association COVID-19 Task Force and Committee on Infectious Diseases. The chart ranks activities by risk level, from opening the mail (low) to going to the beach (moderate) to attending a large music concert (high). Physician members of the task force and committee established the levels, with the assumption that people are taking as many necessary safety precautions as possible, no matter the activity.

Low-Moderate Risk: 3
Grocery Shopping
Going for a walk, run, or bike ride with others
Playing golf

High Risk: 9
Attending a large music concert
Going to a sports stadium
Attending a religious service with 500-plus worshipers
Going to a bar