Coronavirus positives in Bradenton and Hillsborough Counties (Sarasota: amusement parks, hotels)

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

White House Opposes Expanded Virus Testing, Complicating Stimulus Talks
https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-o...142054527.html

The call for more widespread testing and isolation, Dr. Scott Atlas (a White House coronavirus advisor) wrote, “is grossly misguided.”

The exchange highlights the resistance in the White House toward adopting a significantly expanded federal testing program, including efforts to support infected patients in isolation and track the people they have been in contact with, even as cases and deaths continue to rise nationwide. That resistance has become a sticking point in negotiations over a new economic stimulus package, with the administration and top Democrats yet to agree on the scope and setup of an expanded testing plan.

What's complicating the stimulus is the unreasonable demands to make stimulus payments to illegal aliens, eliminating voter ID laws allowing anyone to vote for anyone without any way to stop it and relieving states of all debts accrued even prior to Covid. Pelosi has stated she wants all of that or nothing. We have nothing.

[wondermint2]

How a Strip Club Named Tootsie’s Could Doom Miami’s Coronavirus Plan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ho...an/ar-BB1a7ZfE

A local strip club could doom a business curfew in Miami implemented to curb the coronavirus pandemic in Florida’s largest county.

On Friday, a Miami-Dade judge ruled in favor of Tootsie’s strip club in Miami Gardens, which sued the city, arguing that the club should be allowed to stay open past the midnight curfew.

In her Friday ruling, Judge Beatrice Butchko wrote that the county’s regulations conflict directly with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ order that coronavirus-related restrictions not prohibit Floridians from working.

Some observers believe the ruling could essentially nullify the county’s curfew, allowing restaurants, nightclubs and other businesses to remain open all night.

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

How a Strip Club Named Tootsie’s Could Doom Miami’s Coronavirus Plan
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ho...an/ar-BB1a7ZfE

A local strip club could doom a business curfew in Miami implemented to curb the coronavirus pandemic in Florida’s largest county.

On Friday, a Miami-Dade judge ruled in favor of Tootsie’s strip club in Miami Gardens, which sued the city, arguing that the club should be allowed to stay open past the midnight curfew.

In her Friday ruling, Judge Beatrice Butchko wrote that the county’s regulations conflict directly with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’ order that coronavirus-related restrictions not prohibit Floridians from working.

Some observers believe the ruling could essentially nullify the county’s curfew, allowing restaurants, nightclubs and other businesses to remain open all night.

Excellent! Enough is enough and it's time to move on. If someone is afraid of the virus, they should take their own steps to isolate themselves. The rest of us, the 99.9997% who don't die from the virus, should go back to normal.

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by bradnsota

Excellent! Enough is enough and it's time to move on. If someone is afraid of the virus, they should take their own steps to isolate themselves. The rest of us, the 99.9997% who don't die from the virus, should go back to normal.

I understand that a lot of people are experiencing caution fatigue and everyone wants to get back to normal. However the virus is already at a high baseline in Florida - and if people just pretend that it doesn't exist - with few wearing masks and few practicing social distancing, packing bars again, we're likely to experience a big spike in cases again. Things across the country and even in Florida are already starting to trend in the wrong direction. This is likely just the tip of the iceburg for the upcoming fall/winter wave.

When cases spike big time the single most important issue is that hospital capacity is strained. This could turn into a huge problem over the fall/winter, especially with the surge of coronavirus cases combining with the flu season.

Also it's estimated that to some degree 40% of the population is "vulnerable" to a bad coronavirus outcome - there's just no logical way to shield 40% of the population from the other 60% of the population.

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

I understand that a lot of people are experiencing caution fatigue and everyone wants to get back to normal. However the virus is already at a high baseline in Florida - and if people just pretend that it doesn't exist - with few wearing masks and few practicing social distancing, packing bars again, we're likely to experience a big spike in cases again. Things across the country and even in Florida are already starting to trend in the wrong direction. This is likely just the tip of the iceburg for the upcoming fall/winter wave.

When cases spike big time the single most important issue is that hospital capacity is strained. This could turn into a huge problem over the fall/winter, especially with the surge of coronavirus cases combining with the flu season.

Also it's estimated that to some degree 40% of the population is "vulnerable" to a bad coronavirus outcome - there's just no logical way to shield 40% of the population from the other 60% of the population.

Europe went through shutting everything down HARD. Real hard. Now the virus is out of control more than ever in Europe. People in Europe wear masks. It's not stopping the inevitable. Hiding from it has proven to be a failed experiment. Time to face it head on. If you are vulnerable, by all means hide. If you are not, move on with life.

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by bradnsota

Europe went through shutting everything down HARD. Real hard. Now the virus is out of control more than ever in Europe. People in Europe wear masks. It's not stopping the inevitable. Hiding from it has proven to be a failed experiment. Time to face it head on. If you are vulnerable, by all means hide. If you are not, move on with life.

"Freedom emphatically does not include the freedom to get someone else sick. It does not include the freedom to refuse to wear a mask in the grocery store, sneeze on someone in the produce section and give him the virus. That’s not freedom for the person who is sneezed upon. For that person, the first person’s “freedom” means chains — potential illness and even perhaps a death sentence. No society can function on that definition of freedom."

The above is from this excellent article in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/17/o...democrats.html

[Sunshine Rules]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

"Freedom emphatically does not include the freedom to get someone else sick. It does not include the freedom to refuse to wear a mask in the grocery store, sneeze on someone in the produce section and give him the virus. That’s not freedom for the person who is sneezed upon. For that person, the first person’s “freedom” means chains — potential illness and even perhaps a death sentence. No society can function on that definition of freedom."

The above is from this excellent article in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/17/o...democrats.html

Talk about mixing politics and Covid-19......

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by Sunshine Rules

Talk about mixing politics and Covid-19......

Nothing political in that statement. Just basic common sense.

[bradnsota]

Originally Posted by wondermint2

"Freedom emphatically does not include the freedom to get someone else sick. It does not include the freedom to refuse to wear a mask in the grocery store, sneeze on someone in the produce section and give him the virus. That’s not freedom for the person who is sneezed upon. For that person, the first person’s “freedom” means chains — potential illness and even perhaps a death sentence. No society can function on that definition of freedom."

The above is from this excellent article in the NY Times:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/17/o...democrats.html

I never mentioned freedom. Not sure what you are talking about. I'm talking about the now proven fact that Covid is not going away anywhere in the world. Countries and even states in our own country that locked down and where people wear masks in mass are now seeing a massive resurgence in the virus. The virus is going to be there. Destroying the economy is not the answer to this. The answer is to move on with life, unless you are vulnerable. It's clear for everyone to see now.

[wondermint2]

Originally Posted by bradnsota

I never mentioned freedom. Not sure what you are talking about. I'm talking about the now proven fact that Covid is not going away anywhere in the world. Countries and even states in our own country that locked down and where people wear masks in mass are now seeing a massive resurgence in the virus. The virus is going to be there. Destroying the economy is not the answer to this. The answer is to move on with life, unless you are vulnerable. It's clear for everyone to see now.

Lockdown measures worked during the first coronavirus wave in Europe. Sweden tried something similar to herd immunity and it didn't work. Not saying we should go into full lockdown mode in the USA - however it's proven science that mitigation measures such as masks, social distancing, limiting capacity at select businesses such as bars/restaurants work to slow the spread of the virus. IMO this would be the best course of action until most people are vaccinated.The problem with Europe arose recently because of caution fatigue - and most people becoming too loose with their mitigation measures.

I was hoping the USA could learn a lesson from what's going on now in Europe - and not let our guard down. However it doesn't seem as though our society has the will to do that. Easing up on restrictions now is the worst possible scenario- just as we are on the cusp for a third wave this fall/winter.

Also priorities as a society should be given to keeping the schools safe. By letting our guard down now, community spread of the virus will increase, which in turn will put schools at greater risks of outbreaks. Society needs to decide what's more important - going several more months without packing the bars full - or keeping schools safe. Seems like a no-brainer to me.