04-23-2019, 01:28 AM
Location: America's Expensive Toilet
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That's because we got married in wine country, so naturally we were up there a few times a month...
04-23-2019, 03:59 AM
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Oh my!
04-23-2019, 10:34 AM
Location: Mid-Atlantic east coast
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I’m in my early 70’s. Live on a 24’ sailboat. Canoe the Russian River. Kayak Tamales Bay. Hike Richardson Grove. Camp Bodega Bay ... etc. You might be surprised how many in their 50 to 90’s I meet on my rambles.
imho, you are truly experiencing the BEST of the Bay area...and it's what I miss the most: the outdoor ramblings and adventures and the breath-taking natural beauty...we were fortunate to do most of what you're doing...love to hear more about your on-board life...we had a 22 foot Tanzer we berthed in Oakland on the Embarcadero near Quinns...
04-23-2019, 11:11 AM
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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I’m in my early 70’s. Live on a 24’ sailboat.
Nice! Do you have ‘live-aboard’ status with your slip rental? It’s my understanding fees can easily triple (when you can get it). I’d be curious to know what you pay (and if that’s true). I pay about $550/month (standard calculated rental) for the sake of comparison.
04-23-2019, 11:52 AM
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Those are the nice things that make the SF Bay Area...
04-23-2019, 12:59 PM
Location: On the water.
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Nice! Do you have ‘live-aboard’ status with your slip rental? It’s my understanding fees can easily triple (when you can get it). I’d be curious to know what you pay (and if that’s true). I pay about $550/month (standard calculated rental) for the sake of comparison.
Heh. You are asking for trade secrets ... and a convoluted history lesson. I’ll try to not be too evasive ... and be brief:
No. Never had “live-aboard” status ... too expensive (read: I’m too cheap). Except sort of in a couple places where live-aboard status wasn’t much or any upcharge. Does this exist? Well yes, sorta kinda. Not so much anymore.
I have lived aboard in the Bay and Delta. At marinas and on the hook (like in Richardson Bay with the, um ‘eclectic’ old hippies / derelicts). Out in Isleton years back, the fee at a covered slip had only a very low upcharge, so I paid to stay at the dock with electric and water hose and easy boarding.
At the SF marina along the Marina Green I was a sneak aboard.
Etc. Moved a lot around the Bay/Delta over the years.
Fast forward: I now live at military marinas in San Diego by maintaining multiple slips (because as retired military the rates are WAY lower than you’d pay) and not overstaying the “nights in a row” limits. I have a slip in Morro Bay, 2 in San Diego that I rotate the boat to, and I’m gone nearly ½ the year now to the San Juans up in Washington (where I am writing from right now, as a matter of fact). Up north here I have a mooring at a friend’s island property beach.
I also have an old shorty diesel Sprinter van (with 535,000 miles on it) I converted into a camper and boat hauler ... so I camp a lot up and down the coast. Advantage of small boats like I stick with is you can tow ‘em legally everywhere without special permits ... and of course they’re easy to sail single-hand ... and easy to maintain. I just put an old 1970’s 14’ travel trailer up in the woods on the bluff up here in the islands, too. I’m building a new 24’ proa/cat (can tack or shunt) and the trailer is a great den by the boat project for me and the old dog to chill out in during the rains.
Can’t beat it with a stick ... if you’re willing to live like a gypsy sardine!
Was that “
off-topic”? Ooooops.
04-23-2019, 01:19 PM
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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Heh. You are asking for trade secrets ... and a convoluted history lesson. I’ll try to not be too evasive ... and be brief:I now live at military marinas in San Diego by maintaining multiple slips (because as retired military the rates are WAY lower than you’d pay) and not overstaying the “nights in a row” limits. I have a slip in Morro Bay, 2 in San Diego that I rotate the boat to, and I’m gone nearly ½ the year now to the San Juans up in Washington (where I am writing from right now, as a matter of fact). Up north here I have a mooring at a friend’s island property beach.
Well, I wasn’t asking for secrets; I don’t have any intention of living on my sailboat. I was just curious about ‘live-aboard’ fees in comparison to my ‘standard’ fee (as I’ve heard liveaboard status can be exorbitant in the Bay Area, like everything else of course). This is especially true since I know they limit it to about 5-10% of rentals so it becomes quite ‘competitive’ (and costly).
That said, I thought it was on topic - because I thought you were in the SF Bay Area (and boating of any kind is certainly relevant to SF’s desirability per the thread). I didn’t realize you were living in San Diego (and Washington).
04-23-2019, 01:30 PM
Location: On the water.
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Well, I wasn’t asking for secrets; I don’t have any intention of living on my sailboat. I was just curious about ‘live-aboard’ fees in comparison to my ‘standard’ fee (as I’ve heard liveaboard status can be exorbitant in the Bay Area, like everything else of course). This is especially true since I know they limit it to about 5-10% of rentals so it becomes quite ‘competitive’ (and costly).
My “secrets” comment was a joke
... and sure, it was semi on topic because I lived aboard in the Bay area until 4 years ago ... and described some of that.
Live-aboard fees can certainly be exorbitant, yup. That said, standard moorage in the Bay has gotten exorbitant! Same in San Diego. $15 a foot is nuts!
My highest rate at one marina is less than half that ... only place you might find low rates north anymore is some of the funky old hidden marinas in the Delta. I haven’t checked any rates out there in near 10 years though.
04-23-2019, 01:31 PM
Location: San Francisco, CA 94122
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At the SF marina along the Marina Green I was a sneak aboard.
Hmmm, maybe this should go in the "SF Homeless" thread.
04-23-2019, 01:33 PM
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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My “secrets” comment was a joke
... and sure, it was semi on topic because I lived aboard in the Bay area until 4 years ago ... and described some of that.
Live-aboard fees can certainly be exorbitant, yup. That said, standard moorage in the Bay has gotten exorbitant! Same in San Diego. $15 a foot is nuts!
My highest rate at one marina is less than half that ... only place you might find low rates north anymore is some of the funky old hidden marinas in the Delta. I haven’t checked any rates out there in near 10 years though.
Besides the moorage fees - what about the cost of maintenance of the vessel itself? That can be a bottomless ocean (pun intended).
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People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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off-topic”? Ooooops.
My highest rate at one marina is less than half that ... only place you might find low rates north anymore is some of the funky old hidden marinas in the Delta. I haven’t checked any rates out there in near 10 years though.
