SBOE wants to Eliminate Heroic from Description of Alamo Defenders (San Antonio: appointed, to buy)

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by huckster

They all were from, El Norte, do not forget. So indeed they were all yanquis. Yes.[[/i]

Funny, Yanquis, that’s also what the 18th Century French in Canada and their Indian allies called the English colonists to their south.

[WilGar]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Filibusters. New Orleans Greys and Alabama Red Rovers are the most famous, most of whom were killed at the Alamo and at Goliad. These were Americans who formed companies in the United States to go fight in Texas during the rebellion. These men weren’t Texians, that is the settlers from the United States who took up land in Texas when under Mexico and who’d pledged loyalty to Mexico. The Mexicans took a different legal attitude towards Texians in revolt and the adventurers from the United States (who were considered freebooters and pirates, and justifiably so) though in practice both types were treated mercilessly.

President Jackson also arranged for “deserters” from the United States Army to join up with the Texian army; these men fought at San Jacinto and after the rebellion was won they returned to the American army. I doubt though that American Regulars were mostly southerners, probably quite a few were Irishmen who’d already been British Regulars. As with the San Patricios.

In 1813 during a revolt against Spain a force of Tejano rebels and American filibusters was destroyed south of San Antonio somewhere near the Medina River by a Spanish army; perhaps as many as 1300 rebels were killed in the biggest battle in Texas history. There’s a historical marker at 281 and FM 2537.

Mercenaries?

The Greys and Red Rovers were volunteers that came as a group. Are you accusing Davy Crockett and the Tennessee Boys were mercenaries because they came as a group?

Definition of Hero-

Were the signers of the US Declaration of Independence?

Were the signers of the Texas Declaration of Independence?

Both groups knew that by signing was a death sentence.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by WilGar

Mercenaries?

The Greys and Red Rovers were volunteers that came as a group. Are you accusing Davy Crockett and the Tennessee Boys were mercenaries because they came as a group?

A privately raised group of soldiers fighting in a foreign country for wages or in hope of personal gain pretty well defines mercenaries. So you tell me.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

A privately raised group of soldiers fighting in a foreign country for wages or in hope of personal gain pretty well defines mercenaries. So you tell me.

What's your source for the claim that they were being paid - and by whom?

[sinsativ]

How about, so we can make everybody happy, and be PC. Each person from now own believes history the way they want to. No books, no teaching. Since we in USA have to make everyone feel comfortable, then lets just forget the books, what happened, and everyone can speak "History" the way that makes them feel happy. Nobody's feelings get hurt about something that happened to a relative from over a century or two ago.

[WilGar]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

A privately raised group of soldiers fighting in a foreign country for wages or in hope of personal gain pretty well defines mercenaries. So you tell me.

Personal gain? Coming to Texas for a new start as Crockett?

This isn’t Blackwater.

This was a basic wasteland requiring a special person or group to civilize.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by WilGar

Personal gain? Coming to Texas for a new start as Crockett?

This isn’t Blackwater.

This was a basic wasteland requiring a special person or group to civilize.

Not sure what you mean by "wasteland", but my g-g-grandfather wrote about the rolling plains and abundant wildlife in east and central Texas. West Texas towards Big Bend/Sonora wasn't as attractive to some, but others found it to be just what they were looking for.(He didn't) He primarily stayed in the SA/Seguin/New Braunfels/Fredericksburg area, except for the year he spent in captivity in Mexico after the Battle of Salado.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

What's your source for the claim that they were being paid - and by whom?

Not wages in this case but personal gain. Land.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by WilGar

This was a basic wasteland requiring a special person or group to civilize.

East Texas was no wasteland and soon became rich cotton country with a high percentage of the population enslaved.

[TexasRedneck]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Not wages in this case but personal gain. Land.

Big difference......