10-28-2012, 09:56 AM
Location: Rochester, NY
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Bit of a controversy that's been going on in the Susan B. Anthony Neighborhood. There is an historic but abandoned church at 660 West Main Street. It's called Westminster Presbyterian and was built in 1859 by German-Americans. The owner of the land wants to tear it down and build a Dollar General, even though there are already five dollar stores in the immediate area, including a Family Dollar only 0.3 miles away. Apparently this landowner owes the city some $40,000 in back taxes and is notorious in the neighborhood for letting his properties fall to disrepair and become havens for drug dealers and prostitutes.
As you can imagine, the Susan B. Anthony Neighborhood Association is quite upset over this. They've been working hard on neighborhood revival and claim this project will set them back by destroying part of the neighborhood's history and ruining its unique character. I've heard that the urban pioneers who live in the restored house next door have threatened to move out if the Dollar General goes through. Now Bread & Water Theatre, a local group, has offered to move into the church and use it to stage productions. 660 West Main is less than a mile from I-490, making it accessible to the same suburban crowd that supports the Geva Theatre and other cultural amenities in the city. Bread & Water Theatre will also provide community enrichment.
I realize it's easy to side for some people to side with the landowner on the grounds that it's his property. But thing is, he is not Robinson Crusoe living on a deserted island. What he plans on doing is going to have an enormous impact on the neighborhood, and not a good one. If you oppose this, please consider signing this petition to save the church.
http://www.change.org/petitions/help...yterian-church
10-28-2012, 09:59 AM
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It's horrible what this dirtbag wants to do with the property. Dollar generals are an eyesore and offer nothing to a community. What gives a city character are the older buildings. There is an offer on the table that would preserve the building and I believe that would be the best course of action.
10-28-2012, 01:21 PM
Location: Rochester NY (western NY)
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Yeah, that church should definitely be kept around for a bunch of glee clubbers to use for low budget stage productions instead of a retail store that could mean a dozen or so jobs for people in the area.
10-28-2012, 05:20 PM
Location: Brighton, NY
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I'm not sure the theatre group has the money to rehab the building anyway. Supposedly it's nearly falling down, and would require at least $600K to make it usable. I'm not sure who is going to pay to save the church, assuming the city steps in and says it has to be saved. But with all the rest of the money that's been spent on that part of West Main in recent years, maybe the city should step up and protect the progress that's being made there. If not by saving the church, then by finding a better plan for the property. We should all be supporting the SBA neighbors in their effort to improve that area.
10-28-2012, 09:44 PM
Location: Rochester, New York
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
RJLink
I'm not sure the theatre group has the money to rehab the building anyway. Supposedly it's nearly falling down, and would require at least $600K to make it usable. I'm not sure who is going to pay to save the church, assuming the city steps in and says it has to be saved. But with all the rest of the money that's been spent on that part of West Main in recent years, maybe the city should step up and protect the progress that's being made there. If not by saving the church, then by finding a better plan for the property. We should all be supporting the SBA neighbors in their effort to improve that area.
I concur, rehabbing historic buildings like this church should be a bigger priority in the city. From what I’ve seen the SBA neighborhood has done a pretty good job of fixing up of their neighborhood and keeping the old buildings intact; we should make more of an effort to support them.
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garmin239
It's horrible what this dirtbag wants to do with the property. Dollar generals are an eyesore and offer nothing to a community. What gives a city character are the older buildings. There is an offer on the table that would preserve the building and I believe that would be the best course of action.
I am detecting some sarcasm in this post?
10-28-2012, 09:51 PM
Location: under a rock
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A Family Dollar store I get, but a Dollar General? I mean, what were they thinking? Sheesh!
10-28-2012, 10:42 PM
Location: Somewhere in America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ilmara
The owner of the land wants to tear it down and build a Dollar General, even though there are already five dollar stores in the immediate area, including a Family Dollar only 0.3 miles away. Apparently this landowner owes the city some $40,000 in back taxes and is notorious in the neighborhood for letting his properties fall to disrepair and become havens for drug dealers and prostitutes.
The only reason the loser wants to tear it down is because he owes money. Sounds like a total slumlord!
Who wants to live next to a Dollar General? Hell, I wouldn't want to live next to a Saks 5th Avenue either.
10-28-2012, 10:51 PM
Location: Inis Fada
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Dollar General has no consideration for anyone or anything other than becoming the largest national small box retailer while sending all profits out of NYS.
10-29-2012, 05:33 AM
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Corrion14621
I concur, rehabbing historic buildings like this church should be a bigger priority in the city. From what I’ve seen the SBA neighborhood has done a pretty good job of fixing up of their neighborhood and keeping the old buildings intact; we should make more of an effort to support them. I am detecting some sarcasm in this post?
no, not at all. That neighborhood has been making strides to improve itself and the dollar general combined with the proposed liquor store for that property would bring in a scummy element that the neighborhood is trying to rid itself of.
10-29-2012, 08:39 AM
Location: Somewhere in America
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garmin239
no, not at all. That neighborhood has been making strides to improve itself and the dollar general combined with the proposed liquor store for that property would bring in a scummy element that the neighborhood is trying to rid itself of.
Wait! A liquor store next to a Dollar General? Oh for Pete's sake! You might as well put a fence up and lock it up. It will turn into a crap hole faster than one can blink. Dollar General and liquor stores don't improve neighborhoods.
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Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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