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Old 04-29-2010, 04:09 AM
 
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One has evidence, the other has zilch.
Unless you have compiled and pieced together this 'evidence' for yourself, just like religious people, you have been hooked by words on a page. Religious people idolise their words as 'Scripture', you idolise yours as scientific 'evidence'.

 
Old 04-29-2010, 04:15 AM
 
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There's this little thing called "peer review"...
You're right. 'Peer review' is a little thing. Just because fellow Christian leaders review each others' sermons and Scriptural interpretations, it doesn't make any of them right.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Colorado
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How do you know that any photos or any other scientific evidence is real, if you 'weren't there' and didn't discover the evidence for yourself? The interesting thing is that most people who are so confident that information published in the Bible is fictional are also equally sure that information published in scientific textbooks is fact.
Science has evidence, Bible, none.

But it is a pointless debate since this ark was already proven a hoax, by a man who was there.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 07:43 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Unless you have compiled and pieced together this 'evidence' for yourself, just like religious people, you have been hooked by words on a page. Religious people idolise their words as 'Scripture', you idolise yours as scientific 'evidence'.

What is that quote again?

Oh yes:

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
 
Old 04-29-2010, 07:45 AM
 
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That does not change the fact that you need to get a life.

Both these sides, Noah's Ark is unprovable. It's a matter of belief.

Take it or leave it. You dorks will seriously sit here arguing for it? Why not spend that energy elsewhere?

The believers believe it and the non-believers don't. Get over it and do something productive, like, go to the gym.

You too, Konradenne
And yet here you are. Who needs to get a life?
 
Old 04-29-2010, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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No, worshippers will still believe, in general. The Piltdown Hoax didn't convince any actual believers in human origins and evolution in general to no longer believe evolution took place.

The ark "find" being a scam (and I definitely believe it is...again) doesn't illegitimize (is that a word?) God part and parcel. Sh*t happens, liars abound, no matter what demographic you're talking about.
Did you know piltdown was forged not to prove evolution, but to put the supposed "missing link" in England, so haughty tea quaffing gentlemen could remain secure in the belief that they were the masters of the universe by birthright?

Ironically enough, it's the same basic motivation for religious "proof".

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Old 04-29-2010, 08:36 AM
 
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Why exactly seven of each of the clean ones? Why any unclean ones? I don't see that there is a moral basis behind this instruction.
I don't either. I don't think that part is a "moral" instruction at all. In some religions, you'll see certain numbers repeating. Seven is a common one, I believe.

Why did it need to be a moral instruction? Just curious?
 
Old 04-29-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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Did you know piltdown was forged not to prove evolution, but to put the supposed "missing link" in England, so haughty tea quaffing gentlemen could remain secure in the belief that they were the masters of the universe by birthright.

Ironically enough, it's the same basic motivation for religious "proof".
Yes, I did know that. I have a huge interest in human origins. It's one of my pet studies. I'm endlessly fascinated, for some reason. I also love history in general (from a storytelling v. biological perspective). I spoke from experience when I said discovering boaxes or b.s. or power plays, etc. in the world of archaeology definitely hasn't made me decide the whole thing is bogus--just that in any segment of life, there can be a liar or two (or a misguided person).
 
Old 04-29-2010, 11:01 AM
 
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i guess there that 0.1% had merit after all-
 
Old 04-29-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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How can Pharyngula say the Ark finding is a fake? Oh that's right, people who often embrace any whim of science can dismiss other evidence without a scientific review. I believe they call people like this, blind faith believers. No evidence needed, just their personal opinion.
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