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LOL! Because Congress isn't populated by a majority of gay people who are intent on blocking civil rights from Christians, perhaps??? Or because 70, 80, 90% of society isn't deluded into thinking that Christianity is a disease, disgusting, deserves death, or will sent you straight to hell, and because of that, you're somehow less of a person???
Please, don't even begin to think that any persecution you perceive as a person of religion is equitable to persecutions suffered by true minorities.
Why is it that those who cry out for tolerance can't tolerate those who disagree with them?
Because we should all strive to end bigotry. The people who are speaking out against people who align themselves with christianity and "speak out" against homosexuality, are fighting against discrimination.
Its not a lack of tolerance for a difference of opinion, its a lack of tolerance for bigots.
Funny how that doesn't go both ways. When Christians speak out against homosexuality, we're branded as bigots and hatemongers. When you want to speak out against Christianity, it's somehow a virtue. Why is it that those who cry out for tolerance can't tolerate those who disagree with them?
BIG difference - homosexuals don't hate Christians for being Christian, they hate the intolerance many Christians show towards them. I'm sure they wouldn't have a problem with gay-friendly Christians or churches, right? As I can fully understand, it's pretty difficult to love and respect people who call you deviants, perverts, tell you you're going to Hell, and so forth.
That sounds like a cute joke, but, unfortunately, the prejudice built into the system as a direct result of the narrow-minded viewpoints of Christians detrimentally affects tens of thousands of peoples' lives every single day.
That sounds like a cute joke, but, unfortunately, the prejudice built into the system as a direct result of the narrow-minded viewpoints of Christians detrimentally affects tens of thousands of peoples' lives every single day.
It's not really something to joke about. At all.
I agree... and that old line of "hate the sinner not the sin" is a bunch of bull, in my humble opinion. Despite the endless debating points I (and others) have given, including the fact that not all homosexuals practice "forbidden acts," the discrimination and hate continues. I may not be gay myself, but I've seen with my own eyes how people can act - especially since I'm occasionally mistaken for a lesbian (it's the arm tattoos & the company I keep ). If people are really only hating the sin, why were my friend & I given a dirty look just for walking down the street? Do they know what we do or don't do in bed?
I agree... and that old line of "hate the sinner not the sin" is a bunch of bull, in my humble opinion.
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homosexuals don't hate Christians for being Christian, they hate the intolerance many Christians show towards them.
....this is much the same idea. It doesn't really make sense when you take it apart, if by "intolerance" you mean going against what we believe to be biblical teaching. However, if you mean hatred, vilifying, etc.. then yes, Christians never be identified with this.
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Despite the endless debating points I (and others) have given, including the fact that not all homosexuals practice "forbidden acts," the discrimination and hate continues. I may not be gay myself, but I've seen with my own eyes how people can act - especially since I'm occasionally mistaken for a lesbian (it's the arm tattoos & the company I keep ). If people are really only hating the sin, why were my friend & I given a dirty look just for walking down the street? Do they know what we do or don't do in bed?
I agree, it appears that these people are not only hating the sin... they are passing judgement.
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I agree... and that old line of "hate the sinner not the sin" is a bunch of bull, in my humble opinion. Despite the endless debating points I (and others) have given, including the fact that not all homosexuals practice "forbidden acts," the discrimination and hate continues. I may not be gay myself, but I've seen with my own eyes how people can act - especially since I'm occasionally mistaken for a lesbian (it's the arm tattoos & the company I keep ). If people are really only hating the sin, why were my friend & I given a dirty look just for walking down the street? Do they know what we do or don't do in bed?
How do you know it was a Christian who gave you the dirty look? Or are you just presuming?
Gizmo, you know darned good and well that Christians are hated for what they believe. It doesn't matter how much we try to say we are opposed to denying anyone equal rights, we are still confronted about what we believe. Period.
Oh, BTW - it's likewise pretty hard to love and respect people when they constantly calls us bigots and hatemongers because we simply profess what we believe. I've never EVER once at ANY TIME IN MY LIFE ever tried to deny ANYONE equal rights to anything. I don't CONDONE those who want to deny equal rights to anyone. (The exception would be abortion, but I don't think that involves anyone's "rights".) Yet somehow or another, I'm STILL the bad guy.
Go figure.
If those who are so damned "tolerant" want everyone else to be tolerant, they themselves need to accept that there are those who disagree with them. That's what tolerance is. Funny thing is, however, that Christians are FORCED to put up with something they disagree with. For example, if they have kids, they have no right to tell the school district whether they wanted their child learning about homosexuality in school. But try to teach them about God, and suddenly they'd be the bad guy. Who's the intolerant one there?
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When "christians" stop killing gay people in the name of their god; when Fred Phelps and his ilk stop protesting homosexuality at inappropriate venues; when christians stop trying to make laws against gay people, when christians start promoting equality for all people in all things, it will be easier.
When you're being attacked, denied housing and employment, even membership in the boy scouts, to name a few discriminations, it's a little difficult to look lovingly at those persecuting and causing you harm, don't you think?
Where is the tolerance and "love" in that post? Are Christians simply supposed to stand back and be told WE have to be loving and tolerant, but accept all the crap that's hurled at us? I've tried stating in the past, in response to Chielgirl no less, that true Christians aren't any of these things she mistakenly thinks they are. True Christians don't kill gay people in the name of God. I hardly consider Fred Phelps a true Christian, and I've consistently spoken out against him in the past. I do NOT support any laws against gay people, nor do I wish to see them treated unequally. In fact, I support secular gay marriages. I just don't think a church should be forced perform them or recognize them if it goes against their beliefs. That's all.
I don't think gays should be attacked, denied housing (so long as they respect the landlord's wishes) nor do I think they should be denied employment (so long as the other employees aren't forced to go to gay-pride events, such as the straight firefighters who were forced to march in a gay pride parade). And as far as the Boy Scouts are concerned, I admit if it is considered a public organization, they should permit gays to be scouts. But there is a lot of debate about whether it's considered public or private. If it's private, they have the same right to freedom of association that all Americans have. But I would like to add....why would ANYONE want to be part of ANY organization if they don't support the beliefs and tenets of that organization?
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